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May 10 2021 07:00am
Quote (HuntingTreasure @ May 3 2021 05:48pm)
what is it about bots that they cant seem to get a grip on?

i dont understand how with all this technology they dont have a solution

surely there has to be a way to detect them right? its not like this bots are running complex software.



They probably get an increase of 1000+X in sales from selling keys over and over why would they stop it
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May 10 2021 07:11am
Quote (Jacobbc2 @ May 3 2021 06:05pm)
depends on how well they implement random movement anti detection features.



that really depends on how well made that particular script is

anti cheat software has workarounds via injectors

repetitive motion recognition has work arounds by implementing randomized gestures at set intervals to throw the detection software off

if they put random failsafes in place like a captcha or botcatcher it often annoys legitimate players and impedes the organic flow of gameplay

and most other measures just tend to either not be effective, catch innocent players in the crossfire, or some amalgamation of both

assuming u wanted a genuine answer and this wasnt a troll thread


This. The game would be 10x better without bots.
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May 10 2021 10:10am
Quote (Chronic957 @ May 3 2021 05:29pm)
There already is bots on d2r

https://imgur.com/7M03Ibu




He’s right cancer is the most profitable thing on earth so why cure it?

If you get rid of bots how is blizzard going to sell d2r for years to come

Without bots would be we actually be buying more then 1 CD key for lod?


D2r Alpha was offline mode. So this is not really relevant.

Just because soemthing can be done offline does not mean it will happen on live servers. Similar to how world of warcraft does not have "major" botting issues. I know they still exist... butt they are no where near as bad as diablo. So.. I think blizzard will be able to deal with it if they want to.

Quote (GNX @ May 9 2021 09:01pm)
so think of it this way.

your only method of tracking bots is timing of, actions, game times, and timing of game creations. So to stop bots you have to be able to tell the difference between a bot and a person. easy enough right?

Programmers in the botting scene are smart, they love to tinker with random timing and tricking the system. All they have to do is go into a script and change a few values to have a whole new generation of bots to stop.

Now imagine its your job to find these patterns and eradicate the bots. So after a few months you find it, FINALLY the pattern is revealed. You send out RUST STORM, and all is well, botters and hackers alike got a massive ban wave that decimates the botting community.

You go on a 2 week vacation...

Upon your return you find that theyre all back! the botters changed things up! You frantically try to run your ban wave again to no avail. You then realize the timing is different, so you set out to fix it once and for all.

6 months later. after painstakingly pouring over numbers and scripts you finally find a way to do it again.

2 days later bots are back up and nothing can be done.



I think you can see where this is headed. Sounds like a fun job huh. Bet they find someone who will stick around for that one.


People could report bots as well. That would help a lot. At minimum it could keep the bots out of the public games! So that botters have to bot privately. That would help with getting back to the old feel of really doing baal runs and stuff w/o a bot insta running everything.

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May 10 2021 09:28pm
Quote (GNX @ May 9 2021 07:01pm)
so think of it this way.

your only method of tracking bots is timing of, actions, game times, and timing of game creations. So to stop bots you have to be able to tell the difference between a bot and a person. easy enough right?

Programmers in the botting scene are smart, they love to tinker with random timing and tricking the system. All they have to do is go into a script and change a few values to have a whole new generation of bots to stop.

Now imagine its your job to find these patterns and eradicate the bots. So after a few months you find it, FINALLY the pattern is revealed. You send out RUST STORM, and all is well, botters and hackers alike got a massive ban wave that decimates the botting community.

You go on a 2 week vacation...

Upon your return you find that theyre all back! the botters changed things up! You frantically try to run your ban wave again to no avail. You then realize the timing is different, so you set out to fix it once and for all.

6 months later. after painstakingly pouring over numbers and scripts you finally find a way to do it again.

2 days later bots are back up and nothing can be done.



I think you can see where this is headed. Sounds like a fun job huh. Bet they find someone who will stick around for that one.



Sounds like a typical retail job to me.
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May 10 2021 10:02pm
Quote (Fagzuu @ 6 May 2021 18:12)
bots are what have kept this game alive.


No way you actually think that... Bots clearly made the game worst.

Pls if you say bots kept the game alive give me some arguments.
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May 10 2021 10:16pm
Quote (Kickapoo @ May 10 2021 11:02pm)
No way you actually think that... Bots clearly made the game worst.

Pls if you say bots kept the game alive give me some arguments.



Bots have clearly kept the game alive

First, bots have provided the majority of the income that blizzard has made off the game. Without the money from cd keys, blizzard couldn’t justify keeping the game servers up

Secondly, bots have kept prices low for everyone to be able to play the game. Without these lower prices, people would fall off the game due to the intense grind because of the itemization concepts around this game make it virtually impossible for a legit person to gear a character without the help of bots

Thirdly, bots have made leveling easier, even if you don’t not yourself. The good runs with minimal deaths that are fast gets people able to level up quicker and able to start finding their own gear quicker.

Fourth, bots enable pvp to happen at a large scale every ladder season. Even with mass bots, it takes 1-2 months for pvp to get off the ground. Without bots, it would take longer than the ladder season for pvp to become viable. And with pvp being viable, it gives the small amount of pvm only people a market to sell to. Without the pvp people, the game dies.


This game is just incredibly to much of a grind without bots to hold peoples attention for a long time. Thank god for the bots.
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May 10 2021 10:32pm
Quote (Fagzuu @ May 11 2021 04:16pm)
Bots have clearly kept the game alive

First, bots have provided the majority of the income that blizzard has made off the game. Without the money from cd keys, blizzard couldn’t justify keeping the game servers up

Secondly, bots have kept prices low for everyone to be able to play the game. Without these lower prices, people would fall off the game due to the intense grind because of the itemization concepts around this game make it virtually impossible for a legit person to gear a character without the help of bots

Thirdly, bots have made leveling easier, even if you don’t not yourself. The good runs with minimal deaths that are fast gets people able to level up quicker and able to start finding their own gear quicker.

Fourth, bots enable pvp to happen at a large scale every ladder season. Even with mass bots, it takes 1-2 months for pvp to get off the ground. Without bots, it would take longer than the ladder season for pvp to become viable. And with pvp being viable, it gives the small amount of pvm only people a market to sell to. Without the pvp people, the game dies.


This game is just incredibly to much of a grind without bots to hold peoples attention for a long time. Thank god for the bots.


so really pvp kept it alive the whole time not bots
bots are not helpful to the game at all they just make it easier to level and acquire gear for pvp
at the same time reducing the value of ALL items across the market
you really want a super easy game you dont even have to physically play?
if you seriously think bots contributed to the success of D2 you are fucking backwards

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May 10 2021 10:36pm
Quote (Nirjan @ May 10 2021 11:32pm)
so really pvp kept it alive the whole time not bots
bots are not helpful to the game at all they just make it easier to level and acquire gear for pvp
at the same time reducing the value of ALL items across the market
you really want a super easy game you dont even have to physically play?
if you seriously think bots contributed to the success of D2 you are fucking backwards



Bots enable pvp to happen


Without bots, blizzard wouldn’t generate enough revenue from the game to justify keeping the servers open

So yes. Bots kept the game alive
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May 10 2021 10:41pm
I want everything to be free and cheap

I want everything given to me without me putting in effort

Why not lobby for pvp realms where all gear is readily available and you build out a fully kitted character instead of lobbying for a month or two of botting to provide (hopefully) enough gear that builds a diverse dueling scene?

You gotta pray the gear is there
You gotta pray it gets consolidated to enough people to fully gear chars
You gotta pray the imbalance of gear because xx GG item hasn’t been found yet doesn’t make yy class irrelevant

If you literally want equal footing pvp based on Diablo 2 realms with all items available is what you want.

Doesn’t require bots

No benefit of having bots on normie servers except for a small few to rule the economy
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May 10 2021 10:53pm
Quote (Fagzuu @ May 11 2021 04:36pm)
Bots enable pvp to happen


Without bots, blizzard wouldn’t generate enough revenue from the game to justify keeping the servers open

So yes. Bots kept the game alive


nope, Players allow PvP to happen not bots.
Bots are not a very profitable business lol you literally need a super computer with 10,000 bots running 24/7 to make you enough money just to eat let alone pay your rent/mortgage :lol:
blizzards not fucking with that lmao and as for their server maintenance its not hard to kick the dust off the servers every 5 years or so
i think some people just never played D2 before bots were a thing? you guys have no idea how the game should be.
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