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Quote (Thor123422 @ Mar 28 2020 03:53pm)
"Then Jesus told him, "Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed." - You are good to believe even if you don't have a good reason.

"2 Corinthians 5:7 For we walk by faith, not by sight." - You do not base your belief in experience, you base it on faith.

Really, I could just use your own words to highlight the contradiction. I can see the economy and my wife. I can't see God, and therefore the "faith" I place in them can't be the same thing. One is based on past experience and deduction, and one is expected regardless of experience.


Yours is based on ego and nothing else.
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Quote (EndlessSky @ Mar 28 2020 03:38pm)
Yours is based on ego and nothing else.


My what?
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My what?


Yo momma
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If god and religion are real then why did god made americans ?
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Quote (Melatonina @ Mar 29 2020 01:59am)
If god and religion are real then why did god made americans ?



God made Americans cause he finally had enough practice, to "get it right". :D
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Quote (Ghot @ Mar 29 2020 08:03am)
God made Americans cause he finally had enough practice, to "get it right". :D


then why didnt he gave them a brain ? it just doesn't make sense to me

unless natural selection is right b) yeah, it must be that

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Quote (Thor123422 @ 28 Mar 2020 21:53)
"Then Jesus told him, "Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed." - You are good to believe even if you don't have a good reason.

"2 Corinthians 5:7 For we walk by faith, not by sight." - You do not base your belief in experience, you base it on faith.

Really, I could just use your own words to highlight the contradiction. I can see the economy and my wife. I can't see God, and therefore the "faith" I place in them can't be the same thing. One is based on past experience and deduction, and one is expected regardless of experience.



Would you agree to deeper truths of these verses? It is said in the Bible that even the devil and demons believe in God, they have seen, they know He is. Yet they are in rebellion.
It's not a direct answer, a theologian would do a much better job at explaining these verses and the context they were written. What I'm trying to argue is that, sight will indeed not bring you to faith, as even demons who have the complete sight is dead to their own pride and injustice and other evils.
There are plenty of good reasons to believe. But you choose to be sceptical of the good reasons that is.

It's even a gift to man not to fully see. For then we are to live only by faith. There seem to be a danger of seeing and still rejecting, as the demons are subdued.

As for experience and seeing God. Many will confess the inner life and workings of His Holy Spirit. Or that the natural world is a reflection of his Fingerprint. Sure He might be hidden in some sense, while in others He is shining bright as the sun.

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Quote (Saucisson6000 @ 27 Mar 2020 05:56)
It's simple, Christianity is a religion of passion. It's a religion of heart, resistance, emotions.
This is very different than others Abrahamic religions which can be based on method, more likely complexe rules, even moderation or repression of emotions.


Their disciplinary or complex nature is why those religions are prevailing and all the christian countries are falling
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Quote (Ulfus @ 29 Mar 2020 12:05)
Their disciplinary or complex nature is why those religions are prevailing and all the christian countries are falling


No, this is too simplistic, something is true but there multiple reasons.

https://www.pewforum.org/2015/04/02/religious-projections-2010-2050/

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Quote (LazyDazy @ Mar 29 2020 03:29am)
There are plenty of good reasons to believe. But you choose to be sceptical of the good reasons that is.

It's even a gift to man not to fully see. For then we are to live only by faith. There seem to be a danger of seeing and still rejecting, as the demons are subdued.

As for experience and seeing God. Many will confess the inner life and workings of His Holy Spirit. Or that the natural world is a reflection of his Fingerprint. Sure He might be hidden in some sense, while in others He is shining bright as the sun.


What is and isn't a "good" reason is an opinion. I haven't been shown any reasons that are convincing, or that I would consider good.
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