Why are people so obsessed with work? Leisure and pursuit of personal objectives are our human heritage. Our objective in building the machines and an AI god to watch over the planet should be liberty, not slavery to work.

Many people find happiness being able to obsesses and pursue 'work' that aligns with their personal objectives, you make it seem mutually exclusive. If Yang's hand outs can elevate the average Joe worker to pursue or even create work in the vein they enjoy, I'm 100% for it. I don't mind putting in 60+ hours into something I'm highly motivated about, but grinding a 40 at a 'job' is a waste of human potential and where Automation should be IMO. The transition will be rough for some people with job entitlement syndrome, and Yang's hand out could provide the relief for those people as well as to increase innovative entrepreneurial types trying out ideas.

This post was edited by RedFromWinter on Oct 23 2019 11:13am

This is what I'm talking about. Grinding away at a job only to have the value of your productive labor stolen away by lazy, ineffective managers and an owner class that does nothing at all except soak up the value and live leisurely lives... well, it's economic slavery. Our intention should be to liberate humanity from this arrangement. I put in 60 to over 100 hours a week regularly, but I own my own consulting business. I was only able to start doing this back in 2008 (after a decade of laboring my life away in the American workforce) when a near life-ending accident and a decent insurance settlement gave me the ability to pursue my dreams rather than waste my life toiling away for someone elses. But people shouldn't pray for a van to smash into their motorcycle and break half the bones in their body just so they can leave the workforce. UBI is a much better solution.

Happy you made the best of your circumstance! I rolled the dice on selling my house, building DIY a THOW, and remote software consulting. Never been happier and the increased cashflow has been real nice. Before that, cashflow was being soaked up by debts, mortgage, and high cost of living in dense city. Rural living is WAYYY cheaper, and a farmer collects some extra $$ instead of Banksters. 3-5 year big ambitious plans are actually financially feasible now without having to pay a Bankster for their money and set back other plans.

I don't think UBI would last long unless other issues such as materialism, large living, and debt culture are addressed as well. Otherwise the existing culture and institutions will soak it up until it dies. In my case, just addressing materialism, large living, cost of living, and debt has significantly improved my life. Leaving all those as they were and getting UBI would have been nice, but not addressing the larger trap I was in. Thank god housing market buy/sell timing for me was really favorable.

ITT... you see who has a no critical thought

be specific cupcake.

He’s referring to himself. He’s sad that he has no ability to think critically and he’s reaching out to our community for loving support.

Agreed with red winter and ink as always. It's refreshing to see opinions I strongly agree with on this sf sometimes

but Duckling is known for having such nuanced views. he'd NEVER jump into a thread just to snipe vaguely petty insults, not never, no no, not that guy.

The "freedom" these people are expecting is to swap between TV channels while drinking beer or to buy mass polluting shit gadgets. And optionally to vote for the wrong person.
Try to find something else.