Quote (krackprophet @ Dec 24 2019 12:36pm)
Anakin falls to the dark side, starts slaughtering jedi, fails to save his wife and blames Obi-wan for it. He's so far gone it would be stupid for him to instantly turn back. You didn't say silly. You said stupid.
Poe regresses. The last battle of TLJ is their only option to save themselves and he calls off the attack because he sees people dying around him. He makes this decision due to his superiors either chastising him for loses while taking out a superweapon at the beginning (which crazy enough saved them all) or withholding information needlessly that leads to his failed plan and more death. With his information in the first two instances he made the right decisions for the best outcomes. In the last battle he questions his judgement and calls off the only option they have. Without the Luke/crystal foxes ex-machina he has doomed them all to certain death.
His arc goes nowhere in this movie. All of his development is in TFA in the form of going from trying to run away from his past to devoting himself to Rey. TLJ doesn't change that. All of his actions are in service to Rey.
I may have worded this incorrectly putting my gripe above the gripe I have with the general story telling. Rey has spent most of her life yearning for her parents return. Shes told (and believes it would seem) that they were shitty people that didn't love her and sold her off. This is after being disillusioned with Luke and she proceeds to fail at saving Kylo. The very next scene she is in shes shrugged all of that off. The only comparison you could really make is Luke in ep4 after Obi-Wan dies. That's comparing a 2 day relationship to a life long parent complex.
Maybe you were talking about ep4 when speaking of Han? In 5 they get completely beaten and actually end in a somber mood while clinging to hope.
As for Luke. Like I said that's the most subjective one. If we actually explored his fall it could have been incredibly satisfying. A 20 second "I almost assassinated my nephew" is basically a slap in the face imo. We skipped 30 years and come back to all of the OT heros being broken people and it all happens off screen.
I only read like 1 series with Luke in it from the EU. I never really considered any of the books meaningful. All of what I say is from the Skywalker saga.
Well you are wrong about poe and finn, but you seem like you won't budge at all no matter what I say so I'm not going to bother.
"Two day relationship" Luke knew Obi for literally his entire life.
And you act as if Reys arc in tfa didn't happen, the entire point of that movie was getting her off of her planet and having her let go of the idea of her parents coming back. Obviously if she found out this information at the start of tfa it would have been a lot more traumatic for her character, but it happened after she already let go of the idea of her parents. So while being hurtful it isn't exactly world shattering. I can't speak to what the very next scene with her is as I haven't seen the movie in a while. I remember the fucking godawful fight scene in Snokes ship with the red dudes, but I don't remember her laughing and smiling.
She didn't really get a big hero moment where she saved the day at the end, she helped the group escape death but that's basically it. And she hasn't seen her friends in a long time and it's happy to see they are alive, and they her. Obviously they are upset the first order is owning then, why does that mean they can't be happy to see eachother still alive?
I agree they could have spent some more time on Luke, cutting some of that casino nonsense and the shit with del toro would have been fine and left some room for that to happen. But that entire arc is supposed to be important for finn and rose and their arc, and also showing hope with the kids using the force. Still it could have been slimmed down. But JJ made it so Luke was gone, and then fucking ditched out. Didn't explain any of the decisions he made to Rian. Rian went into TLJ with literally zero guidance, and I think the way he took JJs random fucking nonsense was a lot more interesting than where JJ would have lead it.