The middle panel is incomplete , it left out the part where trump says ‘or I won’t give you that 400mil in aid’

Wait, are you under the impression that only Biden was coordinating with Ukraine regarding the removal of their Prosecutor General?

that wasn't said though.


this is rather true though. the only reason we even know about biden being "part" of a large investigation... is the "whistleblower".

This post was edited by tagged4nothing on Nov 5 2019 06:42pm

I've always found it odd that the same people who believe corruption is endemic and that the rich buy influence find it impossible to believe that the electoral system could ever find itself compromised.

There's definitely issues with the voting system, in-person voter fraud is not one of them. It's a painfully inefficient way to create fraudulent votes.

You're getting more and more libertarian Bogie, you've practically become immune from understanding the argument of people you are criticizing.

I have to be the polar opposite of a libertarian, or perhaps words have changed in meaning as I've gotten older.

In situations where a relatively small number of votes makes a big difference, I'd expect fraud to be more common. Local elections where there's limited publicity and low vote totals makes a lot of sense. If I were running a scheme, my main concern would be with the number of people involved and media scrutiny. Local elections in an immigrant dominated community fits the bill.

This post was edited by bogie160 on Nov 5 2019 08:30pm

so says an election-denier

It's just something I say to Cam and Santara when they are too emotional to understand the other person's argument. (in this case it's that nobody is even coming close to saying elections are untouchable)

John Oliver did a video this week on voting machines thats worth a lot. Interesting case of a local election where the machine switched the vote totals for each candidate. There's ways to commit voter fraud, but in-person fraud is way way way way down on the bottom of the list since you have massive legal exposure (every person is a person who can testify against you) and you have to have them all actually go and vote and get away with it.

We really need to amend the constitution to create a federal system for voting. In a time when states were sprawling and the federal government was weak having the states administer elections made sense, but we're long past the time when tens or hundreds of different voting systems just doesn't make sense.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Nov 5 2019 08:36pm

Cam and Santara don't emotionally rage pm people about their personal life to people they proclaim to hate.

I believe it can be compromised, 100%. just poking fun. and there is widespread small time corruption. i just have yet to see any proof of a widespread national concerted effort. could it exist, sure. but i try to operate on faith on sunday mornings only.