Joe Rogan Experience

Ben Shapiro https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DHuRTvzMFw

Hello everyone. I would like to kindly ask everyone who is against or has doubts about the Universal Basic Income (or as he calls it: Freedom Dividend) to watch these interviews and make up your own mind. I would also like to ask those who are already supporting UBI to stay critical and maybe play devil's advocate. Are there still good arguments against UBI that Yang hasn't dealt with? A few of Yang's counterarguments from the top of my head that you can find in most of his interviews (Yang has done many, many interviews and speeches, lots of them to be found on YouTube). IMHO, his interviews will give you a good idea of what his plan is about, because he does not talk like a politician: he gives clear answers.

1. Why it is wrong to categorize UBI as socialist
2. How UBI does not make people less motivated to work
3. How UBI does not cause inflation
4. How UBI does not get the country in more debt / where he gets the money from
5. Why UBI (for everyone) is more practical than low-income support (selective)
etc...

Does Yang make sense to you? Are his counterarguments free of logical fallacies (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies)? If you have legit arguments against or for UBI, please post.

Let's see if UBI can stand the test. Take your time to elaborate and keep the discussions civil.

This post was edited by Marcelius91 on Jun 20 2019 08:33pm

I want it to be more specific about UBI, not Yang as a candidate in general. Thank you for replying.

This post was edited by Marcelius91 on Jun 20 2019 08:35pm

$1k > $0

yanggang2020

Then why did you put Yang in the topic title?

I suppose its 'wrong' to call it socialist if you want to walk a line that narrowly defines socialism as the 'community' (read:government) owning the means of production while ignoring the broader context and use.

UBI is forced wealth 're'distribution.



It without a doubt does make people less motivated to work. Basic economic concepts there.



If you are using inflation in the common modern sense of the term to mean 'a rise in the price of goods', it will cause some inflation.
This will likely be particularly exacerbated on certain basic goods and services people would tend to use the money on.

It will also be paid with by inflation if you are talking about an increase in the money supply.



1. He wants to add a fat VAT tax. Terrible idea.
2. Imagining the money will make people take better care of themselves to point where hundreds of billions of dollars are saved on "health care, incarceration, homelessness services and the like" per year. Wildly optimistic.
3. Imaginary growth from bad economic schools of thought while handwaving the negative effects of taxation.
4. Various other taxes that make me think of physical removal memes. (financial transactions tax, additional capital gains tax, etc)



subjective.
Might be simpler to hand out 1000 to everyone no questions asked, but thats not the proposal. He wants this in addition to low-income support, while docking people who are actually poor and already on welfare. Regressive and unnecessary to hand out 1000 stolen bucks to the rich and upper/middle class.

This post was edited by cambovenzi on Jun 20 2019 09:31pm

Too many unelaborated statements. "basic economic concepts there" / "terrible idea"...

If you go into something, explain, or leave it untouched and only talk about the things you want to elaborate on. Please.

I kindly asked you to take Yang's counterargument into account and try to falsify that. Do you even know Yang's point of view why people would not be less motivated to work and why he thinks it does not cause inflation? I asked people to react to what Yang had to say, not just solely give personal opinions on UBI.

Edit: are people just posting without watching Yang's interviews?

This post was edited by Marcelius91 on Jun 20 2019 10:00pm

I will do whatever i want.

If you need someone to hold your hand on a certain point or concept feel free to ask.
If you are ignorant of the economic concepts, say so.
Many other people have at least a basic familiarity with concepts like supply and demand and understand what I am referring to.

My post was not just a personal opinion.
It was point by point factual answers and analysis.

I will kindly ask that you stop being a shill for an authoritarian leftist.

It's bad.

I've never been asked "kindly" in such a condescendent manner before. Thank you for showing your colors.