stop lying, i called attacks against israel reprehensible in this very thread, learn to read (and did so in every thread concerning the conflict).

that does, however, NOT change the fact that significantly more people die on the palestinian side than on israel's side - and israel is the occupying force. by your retarded 'logic' you might as well defend the warszaw ghetty by saying: look, they attacked them, they had no choice but imprisoning, torturing, killing them.

also, even when you follow that moronic 'argument' - how many attacks against israel were there from the golan heights? how stupid and brainwashed does one have to be to not realise that trump is simply trying to influence israel's elections by making america defy the rest of the civilised world, legitimating the annexation of territory by force.

to me it looks like the people who are so desperate to bring religion into this are really islamophobes, it's really the only explanation that makes sense here, because it's blatantly obvious where your sympathies would be if the roles were reversed and a muslim majority country illegally occupied christians or jews. if they resisted their occupiers you wouldn't claim 'they have to be murdered, tortured, starved, and imprisoned because otherwise they'd do the same to the poor occupiers'...

Yeah the fart right Israeli government is just doing it the horrible way, terror state is the name of the game, they are maintaining violence in order to stay in charge.

ofc slowpokes will insult me or deflect on muslims or whatever, they have just no arguments about what's going on.

i was stationed in Lebanon 3.5 years when i was enlisted to the IDF after i finished high school.

do you know the northern border ?

are you familiar with Israel ? have you ever been here ?

did you ever saw Gaza or the West Bank ?

99% of outsiders calls this entire thing occupation and misses the point.

i suggest guys like you to take a tour in Israel. specially in Jerusalem. take a few days and hear
some Jews, some Muslims and even Christians in our Capital. see Israel in your own eyes.

talk to the Arabs that lived here for decades ( citizens of Israel ). talk to soldiers.

than.. maybe you will get your head out of your a-hole and see that much like internet trolls, you
are fed with information that is based on what ? CNN ? BBC ? the internet ? the headlines on the news ?

take a trip.. or keep on commenting on d2jsp till you grow old and believe in whatever they feed you.

the person you're responding to is a descendant of a man who was a high-ranking official in the national-socialist party in the 1930s/1940s. i doubt you want to invite him to Irseal..he may start back wanting to execute the will of his ancestor joseph.

This post was edited by excellence on Mar 22 2019 09:30am

whoever the fuck he is, he will live his life on the internet forums and debating trolls. like many others here.

you wanna debate about Israel ? you wanna see the situation on the borders ? you wanna discover and hear
real people that live here because the truth interest you ?

than the best way is to take a trip for yourself. the other way around is to debate in d2jsp

i dont disagree for the most part, but it's best for everyone on earth for individuals like fender (aka heinrich von goebbels, kaiser schutzstaffel) to live his life on internet forums rather than plaguing lands outside of his gutter in dresden.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2014/07/30/how-israel-helped-create-hamas/



==> want to discuss about this ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMlXhJevCV0

the internet is full of links, videos. for each video an idiot post, i can relate with 10 other videos. what's the point ?

as a secular-jew and Israeli citizen, i am proud of my country.

i do not give a flying fuck about religion. i was born Jew, and i chose to be secular as i grew up. i was born
in Israel and my country was at this state ( conflicts with our lovely neighbors ) since i was a young kid.

at 18.5 much like tons of my friends i was enlisted to the IDF ( its a must in Israel ) instead of traveling to Europe
and banging German and Swedish blondes. something i did after the army, till i met my beautiful Russian wife.

a kid of 18.5 of age is going to the army to protect and serve instead of playing Diablo II 8 hours a day, and risking
his life because his neighbors do not agree that - its his land. since this is the situation of ages, i always
recommended outsiders to take a trip to Israel

AND DISCOVER THEIR OWN TRUTH. since idiot outsiders believe we ( Israeli people, Israel soldiers ) rape, steal, occupy, kill, murder every "Palestinian" ( most of them are refugees descends from Egypt and Jordan ).

so.. basically outsiders judge without any source of reliable information besides the media. me and wife been over 40 countries. and there is plenty for us to see. that's the goal of living..

some of are feeding from links, some of us discovering our own facts.

This post was edited by darksoho on Mar 22 2019 09:50am

honestly i was expecting better, this was super low level.
you can be "proud of your country" im not sure many are proud of people like you.
Awesome arguments btw btw ty keks Cu

good post, thanks

but this isnt the first time where the armchair "expert" fender tries to tell people thousands of miles away what they have to think and believe
stay strong mate



very good post my friend!




talking about stupid and brainwashed, you are so uneducated and lazy and still have the nerve to talk about others

invest 5 minutes into the history of the golan heights and you will realise that israel has been attacked there more often than you can count

and seriously, you can fuck off with yet another fake comparison
make that retarded warsaw ghetto comparison in the presence of an actual jew or a victim of this mass murder and they will literally spit in your face

insufferable