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Hello,

After testing out some assa, actually hit jackpot at first try though i decided to make a guide for assas, this is even more relevant now as wirl has been patched into something unusable...

The guide lets you use nearly any possible build(even 3assa build) as long as u got theese factors and combine them:
- Dragon talon from any source(base or staffmod)
- Bladeshield from any source(base or staffmod)
- Ctc amp
- High crushing blow

Crushing blow and Amplify Damage combination:
It's a decent effect, it takes 1/10 of enemy remaining life. Then you add on the DR effects from your enemy. PVP penatly is already inside the 1/10 of enemy life. It's also dealth before ur other dmg.

Formula: EnemyRemainingLife/10*(1-(DR%/100))-DirectDR

So lets take an example: 3000 enemy life, with 50% dr. 3000/10*(1-(50/100))-0 = 150 life lost. (oh no, this sucks?? NO)
Cause when enemy is amped his DR will then be -50%. 3000/10*(1-(-50/100))-0 = 450 life lost (starting to get somewhere??)
DR% is capped at +50% and -100%.
As we can see, enemies can often play with much less than +50% dr vs assassins, and since the stack lower cap is -100 and Amplify Damage gives -100% dr to enemy an 8% DR char will end up at -92%.
So lets try an heavier calc: Forexample an 8200 lifed barbarian playing with 8% dr and 10 direct dr just to show formula.
When he is not amped: 8200/10*(1-(8/100))-10 = 744 life lost.
When he is amped: 8200/10*(1-(-92/100))-10 = 1564 life lost.

The Crushing blow will become less and less usefull for each hit, which means we need other sources of dmg.

But how do we apply the amplify damage to an enemy in an effective manner?
1. Let ur friendly nabourhood nec do it for u.
2. Use the combination of mindblast + traps to reach people, and then use the effect of dragon talons fast attackspeed and awsome ar + the bladeshield's dmg to attack all nearby summons/enemies once pr sec.
So how do that work?
a) In my build i have level 15 DragonTalon. Which means it throws a serie of 3 kicks. It got 6,57 attacks pr secs, which i inflict 5% chance to cast amp each time and have a 55% chance to inflic Crushing blow directly on enemy.
So basicly the amp would be cast each 20th hit. which takes aboutly 20/6,57= 3seconds on average(if you dont count misshits). (u need level 12 dragon talon to throw kickseries of 3, which is optimal, to much work as delay on you)
b) Blade shield also inflicts crushing blow, and ctc amp. The special important effect here is that it tic's dmg to every enemy in range(including summons, merc, boneprison/walls, and players) The amp range will amp several enemies if close.
So if ur duelling a druid with merc + 6 summons there is already 5% chance to inflict amp each creature each second. The bladeshield dmg also works as a nice hit which triggers stun if swirl and leaves a rather decent psn dmg, and some psy dmg if amped.
3. The amplify dmg also can break people's immunity to Mindblast, and make them more stunnable. My build got a lvl 40 mindblast, which leaves: 21-22 dmg after all penatlies vs a 50% dr enemy. Which means he needs only 22direct DR to be immune to my mindblast.
However, amped i deal 64-66 damage to him, and then he would need 66 direct DR to be immune, and then his build should be rather fucked up.

So by skilling theese effects we put 4 skills in total. (Dragon Talon, Blade sentinel, Blade Fury)
But we also need the correct equip to make the combinations that works so well! So i guess its time for equipments.

About WSM bugging and Dragon Talon:
Yes, the wsm bug really increase ur attack speed and trap laying speed, it also makes ur fast wep main(including its damage), but NOT incuding its CtC and CB... I have tested this a lot(not on EUNL, but on priv realm)
So its worthless for this build :(

Equipment:
Basicly any wep or item with ctc amp, and loads of crushing blow. Rest is build deciding.

Inventory:
8 sks(trap or martial or shadows) depending on build
10 x scs (20/5, 20/36, 3/20/20) depending on needs and build
Cube: Containing: Best possible: 6venom/6fade/10/-10psn*2 claws, demon limb 5/5fire, 2sojs, 3shadow/30str ammu

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My build:
EQ:
C/C trapsin with deadly kick!
Wep set 1: 2assa, 3ls, 3mb, 3cb, 40ias, fool's, 5ctc amp, BERBER + 2assa, 3ls, 3mb, 3cb, 2 x 7fhr/30cr/10@/9str
Wep set 2: Cta 6/6/4 + nothing (only way to switch without dropping other than demon limb, if u have problems with people taking demon limb u just cast this from stash)
Armor: Eni Scarab
Gloves: Trang Oul's
Boots: Upped gores 213
10fcr, 20str, 15dex, 120ar, 11@, adds(mana or single res) * 2 (or simular)
2assa, 20fcr, 60life, 20@ (str or dex or life + @)
Valk 0.8 'cham'

Invent:
Cube (6/6/10/-10 gt *2, demon limb 5/5, soj, soj, 3shadows/30str)
8 * 36/20 + 2*36/5fhr(ar/10fhr LC would be better here)
20/20/25 torch
20/20/x annie
8 * 45lifed trap sks

Skilling @ level 99:
1 fade, 1venom, 1 cloak of shadows, 1 clawblock, 1claw masteries, 1 dragon talon, 1 bladeshield, 1 psy hammer, 1 bos, 1 Shadow warrier, 1 shadow master, 1 fireblast, 1 wof, 1 blade sentinel, 1 blade fury
20 charget sentry, 20 lightning sentry, 20 shockweb, 20 mindblast, 15 death sentry
(optional would be to lower either LS or Mindblast for more Fade

Statting:
Str: 0
Dex: 0
Vita: 505
Ene: 0

This gives me with cube precast:
Eni: 102fcr, 48fhr, 105frw, 55% cb, 10% OW, 75@ (198@+55CR+60lr), 33% dr, 4,1k life, cannot be frozen and str bug/glitch, 5% ctc amplify dmg
1-9,5k LS dmg
Lvl 40 mindblast
58% clawblock
Dragon Talon:
Venom: 1062-1092 pr 2 sec
112-142 fire dmg
492-822 physical dmg
18,3K ar on Dtalon
6,57 attacks pr sec
#kicks: 3
Blade Shield: Some few dmg, but ctc and crush activator as well, and also stun activator(1 time pr sec)

Virtual duel! I dont count the bladeshild in this, was to much mathematics xD
Lets now say we duel a virtuel level 99 paladin: 10k def, 4950 life, 50% dr, 75% block, 90fr, 80lr, 20% light abs. Numbers below are total dmg with effective res/dr/abs and pvp penalty.
Skill: real average dmg (amped real dmg)
Mindblast: 21,5 (65)
Light Sentry: 5*380 (same)
Dragon Talon: 101 (211) --- (hit chance: 64%)
Bladeshield: 21 (39) --- We sum this up at the end. (hit chance:

Dragon talon:
DPS(inclusive HitChance) vs NB : 426 (888)
DPS(inclusive HitChance) vs BLOCK : 106 (222)

Amped crushing blow (4950-CB-KickDmg) + (Remaining life-CB-Kick DMG) + (and so on) * 55 CBchance/100 * 58 HitChance/100 * 100-block chance
Crushing blow: Hit 1: 742
Crushing blow Hit 2: 597
Crushing blow Hit 3: 474
Crushing blow hit 4: 370
Crushing blow hit 5: 281
Crushing blow hit 6: 206
Crushing blow hit 6,57: 142*0,57= 81
Sum CB dmg pr sec = 2778
Sum CB dmg*CBchance/100 = 1828
Sum CB dmg*CBchance/100*HITchance/100 = 981
Sum CB dmg*CBchance/100*HITchance/100*CtBlock/100 = 245


Lets try vs an 8200 lifed 50% DR baba amped baba, same def and res as pala above(which is very much unlikely, but def is close and psn is same and fire = "zeroDMG"):
In 1 second the total AVERAGE dmg from Dragon Talon would be:
Kick = 210 * 6,57 = 1379
CB = 4907*0,55
Total = 2699 + 1379 = 3648
HitChanceTotalDmg = 3648*(64/100) = 2334 life killed in 1 second just from kick alone!
Ill do the same HitChanceTotalDmg when he is not amped(i just write the answere)
= ((100*6,57+(2256*0,55))*64/100) = 1215

But, we never meet those babas in fpk..
We either meet one of theese: Dmg pr sec from kick + CB alone
63fcr eni (8%)= 8% --- None Amped: 1898 --- Amped: 3016
63fcr eni(8%)+diadem(16%) = 24% --- None Amped: 1657 --- Amped: 2875
63fcr coa'berber'+eni no Highlord build=39% DR --- None Amped: 1412 --- Amped: 2731
63fcr BugBelt(20%)+Eni(8%) = 28% --- None Amped: 1593 --- Amped: 2837
63fcr BugBelt(20%)+(Eni(8%)+Diadem(16%) = 44% --- None Amped: 1326 --- Amped: 2680



Open Wounds:
Dont forget: Open wounds... We deal 6,57 + 1 hits each sec and have 10% chance to cast ow. Which means: 10*7,57= 75% chance.
But if we add HitChance the real chance to cast OW the first second, it's:
CtcOW%*HitPrSec*(HITchance/100) = 10*7,57*(64/100) = 48% chance.
OpenWounds Damge vs DR
Formula is: OWdmg=(45*clvl)*0,25*(1-(DR/100))-Direct DR
50% DR: OWdmg=(45*99)*0,25*(1-(50/100))-0 = 556
0% DR: OWdmg=(45*99)*0,25*(1-(0/100))-0 = 1113
-25% DR: OWdmg=(45*99)*0,25*(1-(-25/100))-0 = 1392
-50% DR: OWdmg=(45*99)*0,25*(1-(-50/100))-0 = 1670
-75% DR: OWdmg=(45*99)*0,25*(1-(-75/100))-0 = 1949
-100% DR: OWdmg=(45*99)*0,25*(1-(-100/100))-0 = 2227

I guess you get the picture now:
Trap + stun + kick + ow kills after CB stopped working effective, in combination with MB and trap.
Example:
1. Baba gets mb'ed and taking trap dmg
2. He starts to wsg(or is about to start wsg)
3. Then you jump and leave 2-3 kick series while he is stunned by Swirl + Kick + Traps and he is often ending up at 50 to 25% remaining life.
4. Tele out and continue to Mindblast him
5. Ow in many/most situations are now activated and will deal a rather decent dmg the next 8 seconds, which is the same time level 1 amplify dmg lasts...
6. You continue to hunt with Mindblast and traps since offense is the best defense, or just just go in for the kill with kicks...
7. If first time duelling him, read "WTF" in chat screen from enemy player.
Info: Live testing i have kicked down normal FPK babas while they wirl me without the use of traps and mb, but its not recommended playstyle xD

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NOW 3HYBRID! (to mix in wirl in ur gamestyle as kick's can at a certain chance be avoided by gamestyle if enemy is aware of ur kickstyle):
Basicly you can use same build, but put CHAOS 355/3/3/3 RUNIC on seconds side and try to use runic talon as well(u need to stat 5 dex for this).
You then loose: 2assa skill levels and 1 slower break fhr.(30)
Ending up at aboutly(because of the add of 5dex and the 8str lower, did not bother with those):
8,9k Lightning Senty damage
471-789 Dragon talon, HitChance: 62%
57% clawblock
30% FHR
Wirl Dmg Claw 1: 1266 to 1406 (10% OW, 55% CB)
Wirl Dmg Claw 2: 2403 to 3607 (35% OW, 15% CB)
Chance to deal double PSY dmg: 29%
Average Hit Chance: 47%

Or use forexample: Eth Runic Talon: 3/3/3/fool's/40/300/eth/self/5ctc%AMP/'BERBER' + Runic Talon 'Chaos' 3/3/3/355
8,3k Lightning Sentry damage
450-756 Dragon Talon, HitChance: 61%
56% clawblock
30% FHR
Wirl Dmg Claw 1: 1580 to 2035 (10% OW, 55% CB)
Wirl Dmg Claw 2: 2199 to 3198 (35% OW, 15% CB)
Chance to deal double PSY dmg: 29%
Average Hit Chance: 45%

I know, TL;DR, no pics etc... xD Hope you enjoy anyway.

This post was edited by gel87 on Nov 7 2018 06:20pm
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I killed this sin with a shako zon
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Nov 8 2018 12:12am
Who needs " dueling strategys ", when you can make " virtual duel " / 10
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Nov 8 2018 01:04am
Quote (TR0LLFACE @ Nov 8 2018 06:12am)
Who needs " dueling strategys ", when you can make " virtual duel " / 10


In 2018 u nn more, yesterday i duelled a BM'er in excel... I reported he to blizz! EzPk

I heb strategy here:

Quote
I guess you get the picture now:
Trap + stun + kick + ow kills after CB stopped working effective, in combination with MB and trap.
Example:
1. Baba gets mb'ed and taking trap dmg
2. He starts to wsg(or is about to start wsg)
3. Then you jump and leave 2-3 kick series while he is stunned by Swirl + Kick + Traps and he is often ending up at 50 to 25% remaining life.
4. Tele out and continue to Mindblast him
5. Ow in many/most situations are now activated and will deal a rather decent dmg the next 8 seconds, which is the same time level 1 amplify dmg lasts...
6. You continue to hunt with Mindblast and traps since offense is the best defense, or just just go in for the kill with kicks...


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Nov 8 2018 01:17am
Quote (gel87 @ 8 Nov 2018 09:04)
In 2018 u nn more, yesterday i duelled a BM'er in excel... I reported he to blizz! EzPk

I heb strategy here:


yes, what works against fat shield barb at virtul duel, works against everything.

gg

This post was edited by TR0LLFACE on Nov 8 2018 01:18am
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Quote (TR0LLFACE @ Nov 8 2018 07:17am)
yes, what works against fat shield barb at virtul duel, works against everything.

gg


Its rather simple,
Play as any other trapsin which usually got lvl 1 kick for stun and ow purposes, just deal mass dmg when u kick...
No fat shield babas was part of my example.
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Nov 8 2018 09:53am
Hey gel, u still playing ^^?
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Quote (harg @ Nov 8 2018 03:53pm)
Hey gel, u still playing ^^?


Hi :)
yes a little, when the CS:GO pc isn't availeble :P

This post was edited by gel87 on Nov 8 2018 09:59am
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Looks nice tbh, considering the private realms available atm. Any theorycrafter wanna give their opinion to make this a 20 pages popcorn thread? Don't be shy ^_^
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Quote (Sreial_ganja @ Nov 9 2018 09:17pm)
Looks nice tbh, considering the private realms available atm. Any theorycrafter wanna give their opinion to make this a 20 pages popcorn thread? Don't be shy ^_^


Thanks,

Btw forgot to add the venom dmg on 3hybrid dmg xD
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