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Oct 29 2018 06:30pm
Quote (ZxFamily-GuyxZ @ Oct 29 2018 08:29pm)
Topic says "in the WS"


yes, and Genetics is talking about the 600 at bats the DH gets which is obviously outside the scope of the question and therefore not relevant
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Oct 29 2018 06:32pm
Quote (Kayeto @ Oct 29 2018 08:30pm)
yes, and Genetics is talking about the 600 at bats the DH gets which is obviously outside the scope of the question and therefore not relevant


Maybe
Those 600 at bats prepares the hitter better for the WS -_-
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Quote (KrWWW @ Oct 29 2018 06:18pm)
that's pretty rare


didn't the brewers do it like 15 years ago?
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Before the DH, the AL was 42-28 in the WS
Since the DH, the AL is 25-20

Obvious conclusion: The league tried to nerf the AL by giving it a DH. It worked to an extent, but the nerf wasn't big enough to overcome the natural advantage the AL had simply due to the Sox and Yanks both being in it.
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Oct 29 2018 07:46pm
Quote (Kayeto @ Oct 29 2018 07:28pm)
how is that an advantage when those 600 at bats are coming as part of competition against other teams who are doing the same thing?

The advantage, if there is any for either side, would only surface during an interleague game


its an advantage when the two teams meet, as you mention. how else would you look to decide?

the 600 at bats are what the best hitters in the league who cant play a lick of defense get paid for.

do you think david ortiz wouldve been worth as much on an NL team? no, so an nl team wouldnt pay him as much, meaning hes playing in the al.

This post was edited by Genetics on Oct 29 2018 07:48pm
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Quote (Genetics @ Oct 29 2018 09:46pm)
its an advantage when the two teams meet, as you mention. how else would you look to decide?

the 600 at bats are what the best hitters in the league who cant play a lick of defense get paid for.

do you think david ortiz wouldve been worth as much on an NL team? no, so an nl team wouldnt pay him as much, meaning hes playing in the al.


What do the 600 at bats have to do with the world series?

Quote (Genetics @ Oct 29 2018 12:01am)
al has the advantage. the ability to pay a player who can flat out rake yet is a major liability in the field


Are you saying that NL teams look at JD Martinez's contract and say "oh well we can't afford to sign him for that amount because his defensive liability hurts us too much?"

If so, then that defensive liability is working against the AL team in the WS, therefore it is not an advantage for them within the series.
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Quote (Kayeto @ Oct 29 2018 09:12pm)
What do the 600 at bats have to do with the world series?



Are you saying that NL teams look at JD Martinez's contract and say "oh well we can't afford to sign him for that amount because his defensive liability hurts us too much?"

If so, then that defensive liability is working against the AL team in the WS, therefore it is not an advantage for them within the series.


the 600 at bats the jd martinez's, david ortiz's, and edgar martinez types get are a major draw for that player. they want to play; they dont want to sit on the bench and be subbed out in the 7th inning or be relegated to a pinch hitter if they play in the NL. the AL rules allow them to get at more at bats without being a liability.

im saying the nl teams cant utilize the player the same way as the al can so they are much less likely to sign the player. at the same time the player is less likely to sign due to potential playing time concerns, if not now, then when theyre older and even a bigger liability in the field.

in the world series, they can hit their dh at home, which is a major advantage over whatever mediocre player the NL has coming off the bench, and on the road at the nl park, they can either play that player in the field if his bat is worth the defensive risk or have the best pinch hitter coming off the bench.

This post was edited by Genetics on Oct 29 2018 08:58pm
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Quote (Kayeto @ Oct 29 2018 08:28pm)
how is that an advantage when those 600 at bats are coming as part of competition against other teams who are doing the same thing?

The advantage, if there is any for either side, would only surface during an interleague game


The question essentially is, in interleague games, does the AL team have a greater or lesser advantage at home than the NL team does at home?

AL teams have a more significant advantage at home against NL teams, on average, than NL teams have at home against AL teams.
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Oct 29 2018 10:48pm
Quote (Genetics @ Oct 29 2018 07:58pm)
the 600 at bats the jd martinez's, david ortiz's, and edgar martinez types get are a major draw for that player. they want to play; they dont want to sit on the bench and be subbed out in the 7th inning or be relegated to a pinch hitter if they play in the NL. the AL rules allow them to get at more at bats without being a liability.

im saying the nl teams cant utilize the player the same way as the al can so they are much less likely to sign the player. at the same time the player is less likely to sign due to potential playing time concerns, if not now, then when theyre older and even a bigger liability in the field.

in the world series, they can hit their dh at home, which is a major advantage over whatever mediocre player the NL has coming off the bench, and on the road at the nl park, they can either play that player in the field if his bat is worth the defensive risk or have the best pinch hitter coming off the bench.


i agree with you, while at the same time thinking, for example, that the Red Sox invested a lot into JD Martinez and a player like him is simply a liability on the field. and if your best hitter is relegated to being a pinch hitter in 3 or 4 games of the WS (depending on if the AL or NL has homefield advantage) that is a pretty big disadvantage actually

i do think the AL has the advantage but your best hitter being relegated to only being a pinch hitter or simply being a huge liability on defense is a big drawback as well. guys like Moreland barely played in the WS because of it and while he did have a massive pinch hit 3 run homer, if it werent for that one swing of the bat he's 100% a wasted roster spot plain and simple

plus its harder to manage a game in an NL setting and the NL rosters are built for it and had an entire season to prepare for it.

so i'd say in an AL park it is a bigger advantage since the NL team is not equipped to compete in a DH setting. but in an NL park it is hit or miss
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Oct 29 2018 11:52pm
Quote (Voyaging @ Oct 30 2018 12:44am)
AL teams have a more significant advantage at home against NL teams, on average, than NL teams have at home against AL teams.


ya think? Let's look at this series as an example

Boston's home advantage:
Sox DH is better than the Dodger's DH

Boston's road disadvantage:
Benintendi is taken out of the lineup
They have an inferior defensive right fielder
They have a slightly inferior pitcher batting at the plate (NL pitcher has experience hitting and sacrificing all year)

Quote (Genetics @ Oct 29 2018 10:58pm)
the 600 at bats the jd martinez's, david ortiz's, and edgar martinez types get are a major draw for that player.


If this is what you meant by your previous posts, then I can see where you are coming from. An AL team and and NL team may have both been equally willing and able to offer JD Martinez an identical contract, but he chose the AL team because he could DH. This is valid and it gets thrown into the pool along with the other reasons I mentioned above.

This post was edited by Kayeto on Oct 29 2018 11:55pm
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