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Oct 19 2018 11:42pm
theres people here unable to understand this chart
blue = ratio / capita
red = totam produced




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Oct 19 2018 11:46pm
Republicans, duh

Democrats are calling for angry mobs and want america to be destroyed
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Oct 20 2018 12:31am
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Even IF that were true, it still woouldn't affect the climate one iota.

Here's all the human made greenhouse gases... [......]
Now here's all the nature made green house gases... [.........................................................................................................................................................................................................................]

Yes, this representation is inaccurate. I would need a line of dots, say 100 miles long to represent nature's contribution.


You're wrong, actually. We know all of this stuff.

The atmosphere of Earth is composed of nitrogen (about 78%), oxygen (about 21%), argon (about 0.9%) with carbon dioxide and other gases in trace amounts. Water vapor accounts for roughly 0.25% of the atmosphere by mass.

Different molecules absorb different wavelengths of radiation. We know exactly what wavelength every molecule absorbs. For example, O2 and O3 absorb almost all wavelengths shorter than 300 nanometers. Water (H2O) absorbs many wavelengths above 700 nm. When a molecule absorbs a photon, it increases the energy of the molecule. This heats the atmosphere.

Even though greenhouse gasses make up less than 1% of our atmosphere, they account for about 64 degrees Fahrenheit (18 °C) of our surface temperature. The surface would be -18 degrees Celsius or 0 degrees Fahrenheit without that tiny fraction of a percent of greenhouse gasses.

So we know exactly what wavelengths every molecule absorbs, we know the exact radiative properties of every molecule, we know exactly how many of them are in the atmosphere measured in parts per million, and we know exactly how many additional PPM have been put in our atmosphere since the industrial revolution by man. And we've nearly doubled the PPM of greenhouse gasses in the atmosphere since we started in the 19th Century.

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You're wrong, actually. We know all of this stuff.

The atmosphere of Earth is composed of nitrogen (about 78%), oxygen (about 21%), argon (about 0.9%) with carbon dioxide and other gases in trace amounts. Water vapor accounts for roughly 0.25% of the atmosphere by mass.

Different molecules absorb different wavelengths of radiation. We know exactly what wavelength every molecule absorbs. For example, O2 and O3 absorb almost all wavelengths shorter than 300 nanometers. Water (H2O) absorbs many wavelengths above 700 nm. When a molecule absorbs a photon, it increases the energy of the molecule. This heats the atmosphere.

Even though greenhouse gasses make up less than 1% of our atmosphere, they account for about 64 degrees Fahrenheit (18 °C) of our surface temperature. The surface would be -18 degrees Celsius or 0 degrees Fahrenheit without that tiny fraction of a percent of greenhouse gasses.

So we know exactly what wavelengths every molecule absorbs, we know the exact radiative properties of every molecule, we know exactly how many of them are in the atmosphere measured in parts per million, and we know exactly how many additional PPM have been put in our atmosphere since the industrial revolution by man. And we've put more PPM of greenhouse gasses into the atmosphere than there were when we started.




Yeah? I said we have added. But it's so fooking little that to assume it's changing the planets climate is absurd.
In school I must have missed the part where they explained the industrial revolution that came before the dinosaur age. :/
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Oct 20 2018 12:59am
Quote (Ghot @ Oct 19 2018 11:39pm)
Yeah? I said we have added. But it's so fooking little that to assume it's changing the planets climate is absurd.
In school I must have missed the part where they explained the industrial revolution that came before the dinosaur age. :/


That's what I said. It's a tiny amount.

We know that 280 PPM of greenhouse gasses in 1880 corresponded to a total surface temp of 56.9 degrees (water and land averaged), and 406 PPM this year corresponds with an averaged surface temperature of 58.7 F.

Less than a tenth of a tenth of a percent of our atmosphere increased average temperatures by 1.8 F. Tiny amounts make huge effects.

Most of the observed warming occurred in two periods: around 1900 to around 1940 and around 1970 onwards; the cooling/plateau from 1940 to 1970 has been mostly attributed to sulphate aerosol.
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Quote (inkanddagger @ Oct 20 2018 02:59am)
That's what I said. It's a tiny amount.

We know that 280 PPM of greenhouse gasses in 1880 corresponded to a total surface temp of 56.9 degrees (water and land averaged), and 406 PPM this year corresponds with an averaged surface temperature of 58.7 F.

Less than a tenth of a tenth of a percent of our atmosphere increased average temperatures by 1.8 F. Tiny amounts make huge effects.

Most of the observed warming occurred in two periods: around 1900 to around 1940 and around 1970 onwards; the cooling/plateau from 1940 to 1970 has been mostly attributed to sulphate aerosol.




OR... the temperature was getting hotter anyways, and because it happened to coincide with our industrial revolution, we made an assumption that may not be true.


/e I mean it's not like we have the ppm of atmosphere gases from the 1600-1700's to make any definite claim that it was absolutely, the industrial revolution that caused the rise in temps. For this kind of claim you'd need 3-4-5 PPM measurements to make a realistic determination. They would each have to be 100's of years apart as well.

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Oct 20 2018 01:42am
Democratic party has better policies/idea, Republican party is better at voicing the concerns of the people.

Both are absolutely terrible parties in general.
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Oct 20 2018 02:38am
The right makes better memes, the left makes the best targets of memes. Its really a hard choice. They both do the stupidest and cringiest shit that you can't help but love them like that great grandpa that won't stop shouting about black people.
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Oct 20 2018 02:52am
Bull Moose bestest party
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Oct 20 2018 11:13am
Based on this thread I’ll be voting republican. Democrats seem like crazy nutjobs that just want to riot and cause trouble
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