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Quote (ChrisKz @ Oct 28 2018 03:34am)
I agree with this. Sort of falls in with free will.


God instructs us on how to live. We can live in accordance with God’s will or drift ever further into egotism and darkness.

Those who claim to be free are often slaves to their desires. Those who practice godly discipline and walk a narrow path are capable of taming their lesser nature and become truly free.
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Oct 28 2018 08:04am
Quote (ChrisKz @ Oct 28 2018 05:47am)
Not at all, knowing the future doesn't mean you influence it


It means you have no capacity to make a different choice. Your choice is predetermined, which is the definition of determinism.
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Oct 28 2018 08:30am
Quote (Thor123422 @ 28 Oct 2018 10:04)
It means you have no capacity to make a different choice. Your choice is predetermined, which is the definition of determinism.


I don't follow your line of logic. Knowing the future doesn't mean you influence it, I already said that. You automatically said because some1 knows the future that it is predetermined. In a way it is, but not by that omniscient figures influence. Which doesn't change free will at all.

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Oct 28 2018 10:13am
Quote (ChrisKz @ Oct 28 2018 10:30am)
I don't follow your line of logic. Knowing the future doesn't mean you influence it, I already said that. You automatically said because some1 knows the future that it is predetermined. In a way it is, but not by that omniscient figures influence. Which doesn't change free will at all.


God isn't bound to this material world and thus exists beyond the laws of time. God knows our future because God sees time differently from us, but exerting our will is still relevant from our point of view. God put us here with inspirations in order for us to test the boundaries of what is possible.
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Oct 28 2018 10:40am
Quote (ChrisKz @ Oct 28 2018 08:30am)
I don't follow your line of logic. Knowing the future doesn't mean you influence it, I already said that. You automatically said because some1 knows the future that it is predetermined. In a way it is, but not by that omniscient figures influence. Which doesn't change free will at all.


If your decision has been determined in advance its not really a decision. It is by definition deterministic.
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Oct 28 2018 10:48am
Quote (EndlessSky @ Oct 28 2018 05:13pm)
God isn't bound to this material world and thus exists beyond the laws of time. God knows our future because God sees time differently from us, but exerting our will is still relevant from our point of view. God put us here with inspirations in order for us to test the boundaries of what is possible.



Did your god tell you this?
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Oct 28 2018 10:51am
Quote (GetOnYourKnees @ Oct 28 2018 12:48pm)
Did your god tell you this?


No, ur mom did
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Quote (GetOnYourKnees @ Oct 28 2018 04:48pm)
Did your god tell you this?


Actually yes, God did tell us that in His Word, the Bible.
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