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Aug 13 2018 07:11am
Quote (redemper @ Aug 13 2018 02:52pm)
Its a gmb.


Ok then you need to decide if you just want to strafe or use GA and MA as well

A GMB requires 95ias in gear to reach 7 frame so you may need cats ammy and Nosf

This post was edited by kai_jph on Aug 13 2018 07:11am
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Aug 14 2018 02:22am
Yeah thought so. I use multi guided also. My thought was to do following:

Switch from Kira to Andy visage (as i have stacked fire res) socket her with UM, put cats on and also nosferatu. Then my setup would look like this:

Andy visage +20ias
nosfe +10ias
laying +20ias
cats +20ias
thats 70 ias in total, even when i socket andy with 15ias jool its still just 85ias :(. How to further boost the speed?

13fana aura...


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Aug 14 2018 06:15am
Use Strafe, then you won't have to worry about locking your gear down with so much attack speed!
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Aug 14 2018 06:25am
Quote (redemper @ Aug 14 2018 10:22am)
Yeah thought so. I use multi guided also. My thought was to do following:

Switch from Kira to Andy visage (as i have stacked fire res) socket her with UM, put cats on and also nosferatu. Then my setup would look like this:

Andy visage +20ias
nosfe +10ias
laying +20ias
cats +20ias
thats 70 ias in total, even when i socket andy with 15ias jool its still just 85ias :(. How to further boost the speed?

13fana aura...


Swap Andy for mavina circ with a 15ias jewel . That will get you to 95ias
Work towards a 120/45ias circ and a 45ias/14ias circ

Alternatively make faith in :
1) Diamond or a shadow bow which needs 65ias requirement with 14 to 15 fanat and 70ias requirement with 12 to 13 fanat
2) Matriarchal bow which only needs 45ias req but hits like a mouse

This post was edited by kai_jph on Aug 14 2018 06:38am
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Aug 14 2018 06:26am


Quote (Taurean @ Aug 14 2018 02:15pm)
Use Strafe, then you won't have to worry about locking your gear down with so much attack speed!

True, but what happens in a mob with a troublesome unique minion?
Strafe will not single him out but will alternate between all targets

You yourself advocated using GA for bosses but your build hits 20ias only

in wide open areas (because of the way strafe works) Multi arrow works better
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Aug 14 2018 07:51am
Quote (Taurean @ Aug 14 2018 07:15am)
Use Strafe, then you won't have to worry about locking your gear down with so much attack speed!


Yeah, instead you just lock your character down with an ability that stuns yourself

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Quote (kai_jph @ 14 Aug 2018 14:26)
True, but what happens in a mob with a troublesome unique minion?
Strafe will not single him out but will alternate between all targets

You yourself advocated using GA for bosses but your build hits 20ias only

in wide open areas (because of the way strafe works) Multi arrow works better


Those situations are maybe in 5% of the run. You deal more damage with the other gear too. This makes up for the lower attack speed, in my opinion.

You still kill bosses fast, especially when Amp triggers.

I will agree to a degree that maybe in wide open areas as you describe it, Multishot -may- be more beneficial. With Strafe, you would have to do a little bit of herding.

But another point about that, is that when you kill things far off the screen, you may also overlook loot. With Strafe, you do not miss anything that drops.

Quote (SuperButt420 @ 14 Aug 2018 15:51)
Yeah, instead you just lock your character down with an ability that stuns yourself


With experience, you learn to negate that effect. I do not have any problems with it. In HC, you would be forced to use Decoy and Valkyrie anyway. You do not start strafing when a boss pack of doom knights with Fanaticism aura come marching towards you. You throw up both a Decoy and Valkyrie first. And depending on how fast they get killed, or you kill them first, you either throw up more of them, or if they and merc get killed very fast, run away or even save and exit if you feel that is safer.

I may emphasize on survival. If people want to go more on the route of glass cannon, that is just fine with me, but then you will not be able to tank even a few hits. One little slip-up and you're dead. And when you die, you must spend 20 hours leveling a new character. There is nothing more inefficient than dying.

My biggest problems as a Bowzon are lag spikes and low health, and maybe getting overwhelmed very quickly.

I mean, this is standard HC Bowzon gameplay. And you all pick on me for being inexperienced.

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Aug 14 2018 09:40am
i like magic aarow :blush:
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Aug 14 2018 11:05am
Quote (Taurean @ Aug 14 2018 10:19am)
Those situations are maybe in 5% of the run. You deal more damage with the other gear too. This makes up for the lower attack speed, in my opinion.

You still kill bosses fast, especially when Amp triggers.

I will agree to a degree that maybe in wide open areas as you describe it, Multishot -may- be more beneficial. With Strafe, you would have to do a little bit of herding.

But another point about that, is that when you kill things far off the screen, you may also overlook loot. With Strafe, you do not miss anything that drops.



With experience, you learn to negate that effect. I do not have any problems with it. In HC, you would be forced to use Decoy and Valkyrie anyway. You do not start strafing when a boss pack of doom knights with Fanaticism aura come marching towards you. You throw up both a Decoy and Valkyrie first. And depending on how fast they get killed, or you kill them first, you either throw up more of them, or if they and merc get killed very fast, run away or even save and exit if you feel that is safer.

I may emphasize on survival. If people want to go more on the route of glass cannon, that is just fine with me, but then you will not be able to tank even a few hits. One little slip-up and you're dead. And when you die, you must spend 20 hours leveling a new character. There is nothing more inefficient than dying.

My biggest problems as a Bowzon are lag spikes and low health, and maybe getting overwhelmed very quickly.

I mean, this is standard HC Bowzon gameplay. And you all pick on me for being inexperienced.


Quit bullying my friend taurean or you will be reported.
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Aug 14 2018 02:21pm
What most people don’t realise is that Strafe is actually a word anagram of the word “Diablo”. So when the Amazon uses this skill she is in fact doing evil.
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