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Apr 17 2018 09:09am
Quote (Plaguefear @ Apr 17 2018 07:43am)
Explain that to the mega rich, they just wrote the laws so that their stealing is legal.


The rich pay more taxes than you.

Lol what?
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Apr 17 2018 10:30am
Quote (Santara @ Apr 17 2018 02:14am)
Yes.


Why do you feel that's an innate characteristic of a state? Do you think a state can't exist without necessarily being that way?
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Apr 17 2018 12:49pm
Quote (JohnMiller92 @ Apr 16 2018 10:39pm)
Says the person who has an agenda that is literally to "exterminate the white race".



Repeats the person who just can't get sarcasm directed at white nationalists on the internet.
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Apr 17 2018 12:52pm
Quote (EndlessSky @ Apr 17 2018 04:35am)
Stealing is wrong



If you truly believed that you'd be an anarcho-communist just like me. Capitalism is theft of labor, theft of labor value, theft of time. A society which consists of stratified economic layers only came into existence because of exploitation, authoritarianism, threat of violence, and theft from others.
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Apr 17 2018 01:04pm
Is the right to having welfare whats bothering you or the cost, or both? If it's the cost, single payer systems are currently the most efficient in the world in practice so you should support steps towards making it a reality. If it's the right, then mentioning the cost as the basis for your argument is dishonest and misleading.

If employees are required by law to put in a minimum of 2% of gross salary to a pension, and employers are required to match pension contributions at a minimum of 3% of gross salary, state pensions can be reduced massively. Scrap all final salary pension schemes in the public sector effective immediately. Increase retirement age eligible for a state pension to 68 for males and females.
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Apr 17 2018 03:19pm
Quote (inkanddagger @ Apr 17 2018 02:52pm)
If you truly believed that you'd be an anarcho-communist just like me. Capitalism is theft of labor, theft of labor value, theft of time. A society which consists of stratified economic layers only came into existence because of exploitation, authoritarianism, threat of violence, and theft from others.


voluntarily agreeing to work for someone in exchange for something else is not theft.
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Apr 17 2018 03:24pm
Quote (dro94 @ Apr 17 2018 03:04pm)
Is the right to having welfare whats bothering you or the cost, or both? If it's the cost, single payer systems are currently the most efficient in the world in practice so you should support steps towards making it a reality. If it's the right, then mentioning the cost as the basis for your argument is dishonest and misleading.

there are plenty of market-oriented solutions that lower the cost of healthcare and retirement savings that dont force other people to pay for it.
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Apr 17 2018 03:47pm
Quote (EndlessSky @ Apr 18 2018 02:09am)
The rich pay more taxes than you.

Lol what?


Last year i paid ~$38,870 in tax.
Last year exxon mobil paid $0 in tax, try again mate.
Quote (cambovenzi @ Apr 18 2018 08:19am)
voluntarily agreeing to work for someone in exchange for something else is not theft.


Is it voluntary when the other option is starvation?
Libertarians seem to dodge this one a lot.

This post was edited by Plaguefear on Apr 17 2018 03:49pm
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Apr 17 2018 03:57pm
Quote (cambovenzi @ Apr 17 2018 03:19pm)
voluntarily agreeing to work for someone in exchange for something else is not theft.


It is when it's the only system available, and part of my productivity is siphoned away from me against my will as the only option to make a living.

I'm forced to participate in the capitalist system the same way you are forced to participate in a government system that taxes.
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Apr 17 2018 04:02pm
Stefan just posted a video about taxes
Just think everyone thats ever posted in this sf is going to pay taxes for life to not even pay for the cost of the syria strike

but muh roads guys
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