Quote (SBD @ 22 Jun 2018 07:21)

Oh wow it's almost like the country the immigrant is coming from is so bad it's worth the risk to them.

Much wow.

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Quote (Saucisson6000 @ 22 Jun 2018 12:20)

for those raised by rotten racoons, yes, it can be funny.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jun 21 2018 11:28pm)

then we have to make sure that the risk is no longer worth it. which doesnt require firing squads on the border or separations of children from their parents - all it takes is a strictly enforced e-verify system coupled with consequent deportations of every illegal immigrant.

Quote (thesnipa @ 22 Jun 2018 17:16)

while i agree. i'd like to see a cost analysis of:

just border enforcement with little to no domestic ICE presence, only deportations for people who commit a crime (not the crime of being here, but crimes violent and non-violent alike)

vs.

border wall, increased ICE raids, changes to everify, and plane tickets to deport families

i think too many people assume the outcome of that calculation. and i think the reality is it might just blow a lot of "they're costing us too much money" minded people.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jun 22 2018 09:35am)

you're forgetting that less illegal immigration would also take pressure off the domestic housing and labor markets, and thus increase the wages/disposable income of americans.

in the end, illegal immigration means that the rich get richer, the illegal immigrants are also better off than than if they stayed in mexico, but the american working class and middle class are paying the price.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jun 21 2018 11:11pm)

I was of course assuming that some sort of e-verify system would be in place in my scenario.



both sides of the aisle, "mainstream" democrats and "mainstream" republicans, are puppets of employers and corporations. they are both in favor of illegal immigration and/or high levels of legal immigration. on the republican side, we're talking about guys like jeff flake, lindsey graham, john mccain or jeb bush.

the main difference between the parties when it comes to immigration is that the democrat's base is much more pro-immigration overall than the republican base, which is largely for reduced immigration levels. (see the studies that found that the candidate who takes on the most hardline stance on immigration has been overperforming in republican primaries for at least the last 10 years.)

Quote (Thor123422 @ 22 Jun 2018 18:00)

Yeah, and any legislation that doesnt target the employers who hire illegal immigration en masse isnt a real immigration plan. Its just scapegoating the least powerful in the equation to get votes.