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Jan 19 2018 09:08am
Quote (thesnipa @ Jan 19 2018 08:57am)
Judging on the verbal sparing Rand Paul and Chris Chistie did in debate #1 on that issue I disagree. I think the Paul/Cruz wing of the GOP are staunchly against it, and the more authoritarian east coast GOP members are very in support of it. I think it could be argued that the libertarian wing of the GOP has almost no power and very little influence on the GOP leadership compared to the more authoritarian wing however. My point is that the GOP politicians and base seems deeply split on the issue, but leadership may be locked in on it.


this could be true, but it also begs the question of how deep those convictions run. Remember that the dogmatic tea party crusaders didn't require any herculean cajoling to drop $1.5 trillion because they got boners as soon as the words 'tax cuts' were spoken. They might dance the dance for their constituents, but can we really say Rand Paul's impotent filibuster is anything but for show? I can't name a single republican I'd trust to be an civil libertarian iconoclast against the spy programs. Or democrat for that matter. Maybe if the whole senate was 99 other clones of Rand Paul they'd flip, but whether or not they're powerless, they're willing to roll over in the meantime. I can't even trust the ACLU to stick up for civil liberties in 2018, I'm more likely to find true believers in the NRA

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Jan 19 2018 09:37am
Quote (tonerbond @ Jan 19 2018 10:06am)
“Trumps to blame for everything while also being a puppet to the state”

Classic fender


He doesn't understand his own contradictions.
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Jan 19 2018 09:59am
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this could be true, but it also begs the question of how deep those convictions run. Remember that the dogmatic tea party crusaders didn't require any herculean cajoling to drop $1.5 trillion because they got boners as soon as the words 'tax cuts' were spoken. They might dance the dance for their constituents, but can we really say Rand Paul's impotent filibuster is anything but for show? I can't name a single republican I'd trust to be an civil libertarian iconoclast against the spy programs. Or democrat for that matter. Maybe if the whole senate was 99 other clones of Rand Paul they'd flip, but whether or not they're powerless, they're willing to roll over in the meantime. I can't even trust the ACLU to stick up for civil liberties in 2018, I'm more likely to find true believers in the NRA


i agree with the general sentiment of this post but we can't ignore labeling theory's effect on a politician who can be labelled as pro-terrorist. anyone predisposed to sacrifice their own freedom to potentially catch terrorists will bite on that sentiment with no thought. Any Christie-wing GOP base members won't accept Rand's principles, as they've already rejected them. After all this type of surveillance was something almost all americans on both sides were against pre 9-11.
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Jan 19 2018 01:33pm
Part of me wants some objective person appointed as a special counsel to look into this stuff... I wonder how much it would interfere with the Mueller investigation though.
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Jan 19 2018 01:54pm
Its Nunes, I think any claims of bombshells need to be taken with a grain of salt. If all he's doing is rehashing already known facts it will be a dud.
The juiciest bit I could imagine is if that FISA intel was available to the democrats during the campaign itself.
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I'm out of the loop, what's going on?
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I'm out of the loop, what's going on?



Trump stopped golfing and dun fucked up
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Jan 19 2018 02:29pm
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I'm out of the loop, what's going on?


House Republicans running interference for the Trump administration.
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Jan 19 2018 02:43pm
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Trump stopped golfing and dun fucked up


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House Republicans running interference for the Trump administration.



Oh okay, business as usual.
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Oh okay, business as usual.



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