Quote (excellence @ Jan 19 2018 03:20am)

white American guy ink telling brown Venezuelan guy golden that what golden is going through isnt legit

typical american lefty democrat attempt at redefining reality.

Quote (Leevee @ Jan 19 2018 01:09am)

Hey, that's a little like when you tell me that the success of social democracy in Europe isn't legit. :)

Quote (majorblood @ 19 Jan 2018 13:46)

capitalism works well, yes

Quote (majorblood @ 19 Jan 2018 07:46)

capitalism works well, yes

Quote (Golden_Order @ 19 Jan 2018 02:08)

Seems like the troll or manipulator is angry. Throwing insults and offenses because he has been called out for what he is.




You mean Marcos Perez Jimenez from 50 to 58?. Those were the golden years. Believe it or not, most of today's Venezuela's infraestructure was built during his dictatorship. It was a dictatorship but a positive one. Economic freedom and prosperity all over the country. If you worked and respected the law you had prosperity from your own work and everything was fine. Only the dirty communists and lazy socialists were in trouble during those years.



What destroyed Venezuela during the Chavez era (from 1999 to the present days) were the socialist policies implemented by the dirty communist Chavez and his mentor Fidel Castro.

There is a big shortage of food produced here because Chavez stole the lands from their owners "in the name of the people". We don't produce much because Chavez stole the industries and factories "In the name of the people". And also started regulating the prices of all products, which caused the remaining of the industries to go bankrupt and close doors. This was done purposely, Chavez wanted to be the only one producing all, to become total master of the country, but the communists were so corrupt and incompetent that all the lands they stole were damaged and abandoned, and all the industries/factories they stole went bankrupt and stopped producing. So, they then started importing food/products from other countries to get "comissions" from that, but even that got fucked up too because: they are so corrupt that they stole most of the money that was supposed to be used to import food and products, but then the dollars to import started dropping because they fucked up the oil industry (way before the fall of the oil prices in 2014-2015), then the fall of the oil prices put the final nail in the coffin.



Under this socialist dictatorship, I dont think so. They destroyed PDVSA (the venezuelan oil industry) How did they manage to destroy PDVSA?. PDVSA used to be the #3 ranking oil industry in the world before Chavez took power. It was the only industry that the corrupt democratic socialists from 59 to 99 didnt totally put their hands on. So PDVSA was basically independent despite being a nationalized industry, it still ran like a private industry. So, it was very efficient and had a good production rating. But then Chavez came and put his dirty hands on it too and fucked it up. He fired all the experts, experienced managers, and high executives, etc etc, and replaced them with dumb retards that were mostly into politics with little to no knowledge on the oil industry. Chavez only wanted loyal people in PDVSA, he didnt care if they had no expertise and the know-how in the oil business. So, these lazy dumb mostly politicians he put in charge of PDVSA, guess what, fucked that up too. Oil production is way less than when Chavez took power. So, now we have less production and lower oil prices. And under Chavez oil became the only main income because he managed to destroy the rest of the industries with his socialist policies.



The angry people with a lot of hunger in the streets are fascist rebels?. I hope you are trolling, otherwise you are one big manipulator, either way, shame on you!.

The real fascists are the colectivos (civilian thugs/criminals armed to the teeth under their control) and the national guard who shoot/kill/murder hungry people on the street to install fear and keep them under control. They dont care about the suffering and the hunger, all they care about is to stay in power. Wanna know why?. Because all the leadership of the socialist dictatorship has human right violations accusations and they are all wanted for drug trafficking. This has officialy become a narco-state. The biggest distributors of drug supported by the dictatorship. The drug is raised in Colombia and is freely transported to Venezuela and from Venezuela is distributed to the USA and Europe with no obstacles because Diosdado Cabello and Tarek El Aisami are the biggest drug lords in this continent. Pablo Escobar and el Chapo are babies compared to these two.

You have no freaking idea of what you are talking about. I invite you to come to Venezuela and try to live 3 months here and see how long you last. I bet you wouldnt last 1 month before returning to your lovely California.

Now go troll or manipulate somewhere else.

Quote (excellence @ Jan 19 2018 03:27pm)

he thinks capitalism + something like universal healthcare or welfare = full on socialism but he calls it “social democracy” :rofl:

Quote (majorblood @ Jan 19 2018 01:46pm)

capitalism works well, yes

Quote (Thomas Cross @ Jan 19 2018 02:45pm)

You have to balance between total socialism and wild capitalism. ^_^

Quote (Leevee @ 19 Jan 2018 11:52)

Every time you make "person X thinks Y" statements, where X is someone you dislike and Y is something they never said/implied, you are only humiliating yourself. I really wish that you could see your posts from someone else's eyes so that you might realize how utterly dumb you come across.

In case you feel confused: look up what a "straw man" is. You may think you're clever when using that fallacy, but most people in PaRD have been here long enough to see right through it. It doesn't work on me, and it won't work on most other people.

Quote (excellence @ Jan 19 2018 06:25pm)

yet youre still here crying trying (and failing) to explain yourself
did you donate your little piggy bank to the state yet like a good socialist, you descendant of surrending pro-national socalists (nazis) :rofl:

Quote (Leevee @ Jan 18 2018 12:29pm)

I would think this is a troll post, but it's not phrased like one.

An ideology is not its name. Call it socialism, communism or goldfishism, the ideology is what it is. There is nobody intentionally making the definition of socialism fluid; what you are noticing is that people superficially use the same term as a label for several different ideologies.

Communism has not been attempted.
Socialism (as a pre-stage to communism) has not been attempted.
Socialism (as what's called social democracy in the USA) has been attempted with great success, but has nothing to do with the previous two.

Quote (PlasmaSnake101 @ Jan 19 2018 11:27am)

Odd, considering we are able to get a firm definition on Capitalism with fields of knowledge backed by logic and mathematics.

There is nothing socialist about social democracies. The means if production are largely in the hands of private citizens. People confuse wealthy welfare states in order to advance their bogus ideology. Disingenuous at best.