i think this is a disgrace for an enlightened state and such people calling themselves the ministry of education makes it even worse
ministry of superstition would be more fitting

i am aware that other parts of europe care more about religion/belief than the average northern german does, but we seriously need an european consensus to keep our schools clean
i mean the EU is ready to regulate pretty much everything, why not make public schools a place that is free of religion/superstition and ideology



the development of the labour party reminds me of our social democrats here
they also went from a center left party to hardcore socialist and merkel stepped in to fill the void

a new party would be great news for britain

In my opinion, yes.

wtf @ those exorcisms in italian school. just... wtf?!?


about the defecting Labour MPs: arent a ton of Tories on the verge of defecting from their party as well? what if half of Labour AND Conservatives defect and form a new, centrist, pro-EU party together? wouldnt such a party crush both Labour and the Tories in a general election?

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Feb 18 2019 10:30am

Some Tories may be thinking about leaving the party over Brexit and May's leadership, but they can at least agree on most social and economic policies. The centrist Labour MP's are totally at odds with their leadership over the fundamentals of how an economy and a society should be run.

The pro-EU Conservative MP's and centre-left Labour MP's are still quite different on policy, it's not as simple as saying they're both close to the centre. Let's not forget that the MP's that left Labour today are still quite a lot more progressive than the pro-EU Conservatives, for example the former support the welfare state to a much higher degree than the latter. I'm sure they could work as a coalition government or something of that nature if required, but agreeing on policy to form a united party would be impossible. They left the party primarily because of institutional anti-semitism and Brexit; the radically left wing policies weren't actually as influential. Yes, Corbyn being very left wing didn't help, but Ed Miliband was pretty damn left wing and they backed him 100%.

This post was edited by dro94 on Feb 18 2019 12:49pm

I see, makes sense. I guess I just underestimated the differences on economic policy between Tories and Labour. Here in Germany, the center-right CDU (Merkel's party) and the centre-left Social Democrats are much closer on economic issues, and have indeed been in a coalition government for 10 out of the last 14 years.

brexit


This post was edited by duffman316 on Feb 18 2019 01:59pm

the word "former" is missing there

Funny how certain regulars in here (I won't name names) insisted the Labour party wasn't institutionally anti-semitic and that it's just criticism of Israel, despite Jewish MPs being bullied by members, systematic failure to expel racists, Corbyn's eagerness to associate himself with fundamentalists and holocaust deniers, the list goes on... But of course it's all a right wing hoax designed to obstruct King Corbyn from ascension.

Good statement from the deputy leader of the Labour party today. Just shows there are a lot of Labour MP's that are still respectable.

I think it's probably much more comfortable to side with the strong pro-israel lobby than the palestinian one...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_lobby_in_the_United_Kingdom

Founded in 1957, Labour Friends of Israel is a group within the Labour Party which in 2003 described itself as a "lobby group working within the Labour Party to promote the State of Israel".[14] On its present website it describes itself as seeking "to promote a strong bilateral relationship between Britain and Israel."[15] It organizes visits British politicians to visit Israel and meet with Israeli politicians and advocates on Israel's behalf among Labour Party members.[16] Both Labour Party Prime Ministers Tony Blair (1997–2007) and Gordon Brown (2007-2010) have been members of Labour Friends of Israel,[17][18] and the former leader of the Labour Party (Ed Miliband) has described himself as a "friend of Israel".[19]
However, current Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn has been vocal on Middle East foreign policy. He is a member of the Palestine Solidarity Campaign, regularly campaigning against conflict in Gaza and what the organisation considers to be apartheid in Israel.[20] Corbyn has also supported boycotting and sanctioning arms dealings in Israel, saying on the Electronic Intifada: "I think we have to push robustly for the limitation of arms supplies ... Israel is after all facing an investigation ... for war crimes, [at the International Criminal Court] as indeed are the Hamas forces on a much different or lesser scale."

ALSO, Corbyn is actually pro-Brexit (while those quiters MPs are NOT) and this is an anomaly, any left wing party would tends to be pro-stay.

I think you are over-reacting on the "antisemitic" argument. Mr Corbyn is trying to keep his populist left-wing pro-brexit voters, (who are basically the same kind than the poor people of Kentucky who voted Trump) and it does not help him...

So the cause is 50/50 anti-israel/pro-brexit ... Simply.
+ few bullies if you want, why not, but this is not the most important point.

This post was edited by Saucisson6000 on Feb 19 2019 09:05am