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#11

Jun 28 2017 01:03pm

Quote (WhoBut_WBMason @ 28 Jun 2017 11:56)

sounds ignorant

I would say it is definitely ignorance. Like I said, the last time I built a machine was back in 2011 and I've been busy since that time.

In 2011 when I made that build, vast majority of people agreed that AMD was for more budget builds. Intel was for those that could afford the extra cash.

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Jun 28 2017 01:07pm

It's pretty much the same now. Enthusiast and workstation grade Intel processors (X299 / LGA 2066) just came out and we're waiting to see if AMD's new Threadripper processors are able to compete.

Build cost is < $1500 or if you need 8 cores on a budget go AMD. If you have cash to burn, Intel is a solid choice still.

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Jun 28 2017 01:19pm

Quote (yupitsmeh @ Jun 28 2017 12:10pm)

are they still winning over amd?
core vs core

also what benchmarks are you looking at?

https://www.pcper.com/files/imagecache/article_max_width/review/2017-06-16/games.png

skylake-x is slower than broadwell-e in every game here.
actually lost pretty badly in a few. civ 6 was a massacre. far cry primal was a decent gap too

The story in some tests.. is even worse

http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph11550/87089.png
10 skylake-x cores losing to 8 broadwell-e cores in a multi-threaded workload
http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph11550/87103.png
oh dear
http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph11550/87108.png
even the ryzen 5 beats the i9 in this one... ryzen FIVE
http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph11550/87081.png
where even is the i9? Oh there it is... Lagging behind haswell-e...
http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph11550/87084.png
ryzen 5 wins again...

This is not a good successor to broadwell-e. It was rushed to compete with ryzen and the cracks are showing. It really is just like when they released the Pentium D in fear AMD's K8 arch

But surely optimizations and mesh will save it :thumbsup:

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Jun 28 2017 02:04pm

Quote (DCSS @ Jun 28 2017 02:19pm)

wow so ryzen released without issues and results didnt change?
were you around for x58 or x99 platform releases? were they buttery smooth too?
lol
and so rushed that they actually changed for mesh design on slx and klx cpus hmm how did they manage that big change in months?

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Jun 28 2017 02:07pm

Quote (yupitsmeh @ Jun 28 2017 04:04pm)

Yeah I can't wait for those microcode updates that cause the chips to have more l3 cache.
Since lack of said cache is what's causing a lot of these issues.

Ryzen had very different problems and you know it, mostly related to mobo/ram manufacturers and os optimization rather than flaws in the actual silicon.

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#16

Jun 28 2017 02:13pm

Quote (DCSS @ Jun 28 2017 03:07pm)

doesnt matter point is still outperforming amd core vs core

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Jun 28 2017 02:19pm

Quote (yupitsmeh @ Jun 28 2017 04:13pm)

doesnt matter point is still outperforming amd core vs core

And overheating. Woooooooooo

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Jun 28 2017 02:22pm

Quote (Incendiary @ Jun 28 2017 04:19pm)

And overheating. Woooooooooo

Over at hexus and bit-tech and tosmhardware it was cracking 100c on high-end water cooling.

Just makes me think back to the good old days of http://www.pcworld.com/article/3031222/tech-events-dupe/future-intel-chip-tech-will-sacrifice-speed-gains-for-power-efficiency.html
Boy that got sweeped under the rug real quick once they had actual competition :thumbsup: