meeting with the US without getting massive concessions would actually be a neutral or loss in propaganda. forcing trump to cancel is having the same "tough guy" appearance for Kim in NK that Trump is getting in the US. its not hugely boosting, but running off the scary americans isn't a PR loss.

#DPRK counterparts, during past several days, did not respond to inquiries from summit planners on the American side, @SecPompeo tells @SenatorMenendez during testimony on the Hill.




That's hard to believe.

Kim wants the world to accept that his country will never get rid of all their nukes, so a meeting with the POTUS where he doesn't agree to real denuclearization seems like it would be a win, especially when the foreign minister is talking shit right up until the summit. I don't see how continued isolation and horrid conditions in North Korea make Kim look stronger than some slow moving diplomacy.

This post was edited by IceMage on May 24 2018 09:11am

agreed

The "truth" is extremely simple: NK & US need each others to legitimize 1/their regime 2/their military bases

Much hot air for nothing, they have the bomb, they may do others ballistic tests.

Better focus back on Mueller investigation now

My gut reaction is negative. Is it better to barrel recklessly into a disadvantageous peace or wall on a knifes edge in measured tones? Momentum can bring bigger change, stalling can kill it. The fact is, the DPRK is not going to give up their nukes and has no reason to. But we can bring them into the modern world as a legitimized power that doesnt pose amy imminent threat. And thats what we could have done, rhetoric and haggling be damned.

Now, I dont doubt this move is good for Trump . He quit on his terms with hostages freed and the nuke site demolished and taking the high ground. But while Im far from doomsaying, I dont think its the better outcome for world peace. Give me a chamberlain

I dont think so, he's ending up with a dead otto wambier, the nuke site was unusable before its own demolition joke, and his presidency will undergo more ballistics tests or shits insults.

Orange agent strike again. This is interesting: now i have the feeling that U.S does not want peace... And NK appears as a legitimate and mature country.

This is not a good point for U.S and Trump, more likely a fail.

This post was edited by Saucisson6000 on May 24 2018 10:05am

He got some really, really fucking stupid people to put his name in the same sentence as Nobel Peace prize without actually having to do anything. Pretty sure he'll view that as a tremendous victory and have another Time magazine cover fabricated over it.

Based on the reporting I'm listening to since the announcement, it sounds like North Korea was being less and less cooperative in recent days. The administration feared that Kim wouldn't even show up. Now perhaps we'll let the experts and diplomats set the foundation better before a summit.

I do find it funny the one time I agree with the orange buffoon, you disagree.

I know right, it’d be a travesty if they started just handing these things out for no reason

Tbh, I don't know what the rationale was with Obama. But the black man can't hurt you now. He's gone.

Really good whataboutism though. Really good.