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Mar 27 2017 02:15pm
I personally have never bought into the puppet accusation but I certainly find some of the info that has come out and is coming out very interesting

There is something fishy there it will be interesting to see it when it's all uncovered
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Trump is a Russian puppet. They got Trump elected because they can manipulate him and make America weak so Russia can push its neighbors around. Their first order of business is getting Trump to increase the military budget drastically by 54 billion dollars and to force the Euros to contribute more to NATO. Wait... something doesn't add up here... I'm no professor of logic but doesn't increasing our military might and forcing the Europeans to contribute more to defense fly contrary to Russian interests?

Honestly, do some of you critically think about the circumstances here?


I don't buy the puppet status, either. I think this is much more along the lines of quid pro quo (you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours).
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Quote (ofthevoid @ Mar 27 2017 03:11pm)
Trump is a Russian puppet. They got Trump elected because they can manipulate him and make America weak so Russia can push its neighbors around. Their first order of business is getting Trump to increase the military budget drastically by 54 billion dollars and to force the Euros to contribute more to NATO. Wait... something doesn't add up here... I'm no professor of logic but doesn't increasing our military might and forcing the Europeans to contribute more to defense fly contrary to Russian interests?


No. Trump's decisions and suggestions are overwhelmingly in favor of Russian interests, far more than they are in favor of US interests, as Piero Scaruffi outlines in this essay I quoted in another thread.

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Trump has become the most powerful propagandist for Russia in the West. The young Putin's goal as a KGB agent was to delegitimize and discredit the USA, and that has been his agenda since seizing power in Russia. During his campaign Trump described NATO as "obsolete" (precisely what Russia wants) and attacked the European Union (just like Russia did) and hailed Britain's exit from the European Union (just like Russia did).

Trump initially denied any Russian connection but has slowly been forced to admit each and every one. Trump's campaign manager Paul Manafort worked for a pro-Russian group in Ukraine that paid millions of dollars to Washington lobbyists in 2012. Trump chose as national security adviser Michael Flynn, who was invited to dinner by Putin in person, was paid by Russian propaganda television and had meetings with the Russian ambassador during the Republican convention. Trump chose as commerce secretary Wilbur Ross, whose ties with three Russian oligarchs involved in money laundering are beyond dispute. Now nobody doubts that Trump's staff had multiple secret contacts with Russia in 2016 leading up to Russia's hacking attack against the Democratic Party. There is still one piece of the puzzle that Trump vehemently denies: that Russia has a video of Trump indulging in sex orgies during a visit to Russia. You decide: do you believe a man who has consistently lied about everything, and whose statements about Russian connections have all been proven false, a man who publicly boasted about having indulged in promiscuous sex? Incidentally, it is quintessential Putin to have someone taped during a sex orgy and then use that video for blackmail. I take bets that the video exists (the man who spoke about the existence of that video is a former British secret agent with a formidable reputation who has looked for absolutely zero publicity). And finally there's the long-standing mystery of Trump's tax returns: we already know that Trump didn't pay taxes, so why keep those tax returns so closely guarded? The rational answer is that those tax returns contain information that is so damning to potentially trigger an impeachment. Russians have always wondered where Putin launders his billions: is it possible that Trump's tax returns would help shed light on the mystery of Putin's hidden fortune?

Whatever the reason that Putin supports Trump, it is a fact that Putin achieved what the USA often tries to do to others: regime change. The USA has failed to achieve regime change in North Korea, Iran and, last but not least, Russia. Putin succeeded in causing regime change in the USA. It is obvious why last November the Russian parliament gave a standing ovation to the news that Trump had become the new president of the USA (despite losing by three million votes). In a Fox News interview with Bill O'Reilly of February 2017, Trump stated that the USA has been as much a "killer" as Russia, therefore de facto justifying Russian atrocities in Syria and Russia's invasion of Ukraine. There are dozens of statements like these in his speeches and tweets. Trump keeps justifying Russia and bashing the USA and the USA's allies. Trump attacks every institution that the West created to counter Russian expansionism, notably NATO and the European Union (Putin's most hated international institutions). Trump attacked, i.e. delegitimized, all the institutions of the US government (from the CIA to the judges) that "made America great". Putin will have succeeded whatever happens next. If Trump gets impeached for widespread corruption or for monumental incompetence, Putin still wins: his goal was to delegitimize the US democracy and to discredit the USA among its allies, and Putin succeeded on both counts no matter what happens next.

Almost every comment on foreign policy that Trump makes is simply an echo of similar comments made by Putin at one point or another. Trump has attacked NATO, the European Union, NAFTA and the USA itself just like Putin routinely does. Trump killed the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP), one of the best trade deals ever designed, that would have dealt a deadly blow to Russia's aspirations in Asia. It would have strengthened the position of the USA in the Pacific and isolated China and Russia. The result of killing that trade deal is to isolate the USA and strengthen the position of China and Russia. Trump has given Russia and especially China an unexpected gift. Trump's USA has basically withdrawn from the Pacific Ocean and from Europe. China and Russia can expand at will. When Trump "renegotiates" NAFTA he will basically severe the USA from Canada and Mexico, who will then be easily conquered economically by Russia and China.

When Trump told the world that NATO is obsolete, he did little to strengthen the position of the USA in Europe. Europeans got the message loud and clear: from now on, you are on your own against Russia's aggressions. When Trump theatened to slap a 35% tariff on BMW cars, it did little to make Germany a stronger ally. He did a lot to make Germany less likely to punish Russia for the invasion of Ukraine and its role in the Syrian holocaust. Germany is now wary that the USA is not a real friend and will be left alone to face Russia's military might. Following Trump's dismissal of Ukraine's claims, nobody in Eastern Europe (the former Soviet satellites) believes that the USA would defend them from a Russian invasion. The USA is de facto out of Eastern Europe. The region that fell under US influence after the collapse of the Soviet Union is now again shifting towards Russian dominance.

Obama had offered Iran a way to become an ally of the USA in the Middle East. Trump has promised to reverse that policy. Guess who benefits: Russia will be able to strengthen its ties to Iran. The Russia-Iran axis will dominate the Middle East as Trump isolates the USA in the region. Russia shares a border with Iran and sells Iran high-tech weapons. Iran is de facto the foot soldier of Russia in Syria. They both protect the Assad regime against the pro-democracy rebels (that also used to be pro-USA before Trump insulted Muslims and banned Syrian freedom-fighters from the USA). Trump's ban on Muslims further isolates the USA in the Middle East. (I suspect that Saudi Arabia and Turkey were spared from the ban because they have been the main supporters of ISIS and Trump needs a terrorist attack in the USA to consolidate his power. See Is Trump preparing a terrorist attack on the USA?).

Some of these actions could be reversed by Trump's successor (assuming that Trump doesn't find a way to stay in power until he dies), but some of the consequences are irreversible: nobody in the world will trust the USA the same way it did before, and nobody will think of the USA as the most stable country in the world. Russia and China are clearly more stable and more reliable.

24 hours after the phone conversation between Putin and Trump, fighting resumed in Eastern Ukraine. A few days later, one of the most famous Russian dissidents, was hospitalized with symptoms of acute poisoning. A few days later Alexei Navalny, the only politician willing to run against Putin in the presidential elections, was found guilty of drummed-up charges and banned from running in the elections. Within one month of Trump's inauguration, Russia sent a warplane to spy on a US carrier, deployed a missile that violates pact, restarted violence in Ukraine

Putin's strategy is to weaken the USA worldwide through Trump and to strengthen Russia's ties with countries that were beginning to fall into the orbit of the USA, such as Iran and China.

Trump will be remembered for many generations as the man who caused the decline of the USA as a world power.

Source: http://scaruffi.com/politics/usa17.html#usa0317

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Quote (ofthevoid @ Mar 27 2017 01:11pm)
Trump is a Russian puppet. They got Trump elected because they can manipulate him and make America weak so Russia can push its neighbors around. Their first order of business is getting Trump to increase the military budget drastically by 54 billion dollars and to force the Euros to contribute more to NATO. Wait... something doesn't add up here... I'm no professor of logic but doesn't increasing our military might and forcing the Europeans to contribute more to defense fly contrary to Russian interests?

Honestly, do some of you critically think about the circumstances here?


Or lets consider the fact that Russia is a resource dependent economy. Basically if oil prices go up it's good news for them. Their economy over the last few years has taken a massive hit precisely because of cheap oil prices. Trump the Russian puppet runs on platform of deregulation that will yield record numbers of oil output. We are basically the number one oil producer in the world at this point and with more deregulation we are depressing global oil prices to the point that a lot of our international competitors are closing down shop. We are the reason oil prices are under 50/dollars a barrel. Logic again would dictate that if Trump was a Russian puppet he would be working for ways to help Russia. Cheap oil because of exponential domestic production isn't doing Russia any favors. In fact it actually hurts countries like Russia, Venezuela, OPEC.

Quote (Voyaging @ Mar 27 2017 01:35pm)
No. Trump's decisions and suggestions are overwhelmingly in favor of Russian interests, far more than they are in favor of US interests, as Piero Scaruffi outlines in this essay I quoted in another thread.


Source: http://scaruffi.com/politics/usa17.html#usa0317


Give me the tl;dr. Actual verifiable evidence hopefully not prognosticating.


Lmao the guy you quoted is a hack

For example:

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Trump killed the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP), one of the best trade deals ever designed, that would have dealt a deadly blow to Russia's aspirations in Asia. It would have strengthened the position of the USA in the Pacific and isolated China and Russia. The result of killing that trade deal is to isolate the USA and strengthen the position of China and Russia.


The US public, on both sides is overwhelmingly against the TPP. The TPP involved a bunch of south east and Oceania nations that have little to no trade ties with Russia, wtf is this hack talking about? The TPP being pulled has everything to do with corporate interest over national interests. Lmao this guy :rofl: I honestly feel embarrassed for you. No wonder you hold the views you do when you refer to biased opinions and think of them as objective reality

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No wonder you hold the views you do when you refer to biased opinions and think of them as objective reality


Ha.
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Or lets consider the fact that Russia is a resource dependent economy. Basically if oil prices go up it's good news for them. Their economy over the last few years has taken a massive hit precisely because of cheap oil prices. Trump the Russian puppet runs on platform of deregulation that will yield record numbers of oil output. We are basically the number one oil producer in the world at this point and with more deregulation we are depressing global oil prices to the point that a lot of our international competitors are closing down shop. We are the reason oil prices are under 50/dollars a barrel. Logic again would dictate that if Trump was a Russian puppet he would be working for ways to help Russia. Cheap oil because of exponential domestic production isn't doing Russia any favors. In fact it actually hurts countries like Russia, Venezuela, OPEC.


Lmao the guy you quoted is a hack


Lol, US is the 3rd largest producer and not close to be the cheapest. As far as I know, the price went down due to OPEC's overproduction, trying to bankrupt US's tar sand extraction.

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Lol, US is the 3rd largest producer and not close to be the cheapest. As far as I know, the price went down due to OPEC's overproduction, trying to bankrupt US's tar sand extraction.


You're using outdated news

6 hours ago

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-03-27/goldman-warns-opec-production-cut-extension-will-backfire-result-lower-prices

OPEC is actually trying very hard to stop the American oil boom by cutting production. It will fail. There's oil production in the Permian basin in Texas producing at levels that they would be profitable even at 37/barrel. The American oil production will dwarf OPEC very soon. Just google Permian basin and do some research and you'll understand why i say this.
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You're using outdated news

6 hours ago

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-03-27/goldman-warns-opec-production-cut-extension-will-backfire-result-lower-prices

OPEC is actually trying very hard to stop the American oil boom by cutting production. It will fail. There's oil production in the Permian basin in Texas producing at levels that they would be profitable even at 37/barrel. The American oil production will dwarf OPEC very soon. Just google Permian basin and do some research and you'll understand why i say this.


It has already backfired. doesn't mean that what you said in your post is true.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_oil_production
http://graphics.wsj.com/oil-barrel-breakdown/
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Quote (Knaapie @ Mar 27 2017 02:21pm)
It has already backfired. doesn't mean that what you said in your post is true.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_oil_production
http://graphics.wsj.com/oil-barrel-breakdown/


https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=26352

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The United States remained the world's top producer of petroleum and natural gas hydrocarbons in 2015, according to U.S. Energy Information Administration estimates. U.S. petroleum and natural gas production first surpassed Russia in 2012, and the United States has been the world's top producer of natural gas since 2011 and the world's top producer of petroleum hydrocarbons since 2013.


Pointless argument here. We will be the number one producer as time goes on with Trump as president.
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Quote (ofthevoid @ 27 Mar 2017 22:27)
https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=26352



Pointless argument here. We will be the number one producer as time goes on with Trump as president.


"will be".. sure, Trumpboy.

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