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Jan 28 2018 04:21am
Quote (Thor123422 @ Jan 28 2018 07:11am)
Yeah it didn't answer the question. If God knows everything then "if somebody changes" isn't a possibility. God knew beforehand if they would change, and can harden/soften hearts to make them change in the direction he wants.


Well God knew that Adam and Eve would eat from the Tree of Knowledge. He didn't stop them. As a matter of fact, the way he acted was in the 'here and now'. At least that way you can better understand God.

How to explain this hmm? I like to see it as God making it easier for us to understand him because he doesn't act on what we're 'going to do'. God knew that Cain would kill Abel but the judgement came after he did that.

How would you relate to God if he acted on what you were going to do? He would stop you at every turn, every point. Then you would not be able to have a relationship with God because you would then describe him as a parent with a short leash on the dog.

Is that clear enough or not really?

Quote (Scaly @ Jan 27 2018 11:29pm)
Yarly.

I mean it would be intellectually dishonest to claim no god exists but I think we can say with a reasonable degree of certainty that the god of Abraham and Moses does not exist and never did. Just too many contradicting aspects for it to be possible.


Then explain to me how The Bible managed to accurately predict the events in 1948?
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Quote (CPK001 @ Jan 28 2018 04:21am)
Well God knew that Adam and Eve would eat from the Tree of Knowledge. He didn't stop them. As a matter of fact, the way he acted was in the 'here and now'. At least that way you can better understand God.

How to explain this hmm? I like to see it as God making it easier for us to understand him because he doesn't act on what we're 'going to do'. God knew that Cain would kill Abel but the judgement came after he did that.

How would you relate to God if he acted on what you were going to do? He would stop you at every turn, every point. Then you would not be able to have a relationship with God because you would then describe him as a parent with a short leash on the dog.

Is that clear enough or not really?


Why are you unwilling to answer the question?

God knows everything, including the future, so he can't be said to change his mind, now can he?

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Jan 28 2018 07:48am
Quote (Scaly @ Jan 27 2018 04:11pm)
OK. Well the worldwide flood never happened therefore the God that caused a worldwide flood never existed.

There are multiple accounts of God interacting with humans and causing catastrophes or playing a part in events that simply didn't happen. The angel of death killing all the firstborn sons of the Egyptians is another example.

A God might exist. But the God who did these things did not because these things were never done. Pretty conclusive imo.


The stories told to us by the Bible must be taken with a grain of salt, considering it was men and not God who wrote it.

Quote (CPK001 @ Jan 28 2018 04:21am)
Then explain to me how The Bible managed to accurately predict the events in 1948?


Vague. Like, entirely vague.
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Quote (Thor123422 @ Jan 28 2018 10:58pm)
Why are you unwilling to answer the question?

God knows everything, including the future, so he can't be said to change his mind, now can he?


Explain how I didn't answer the question. Was I unclear or do you not understand?

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The stories told to us by the Bible must be taken with a grain of salt, considering it was men and not God who wrote it.



Vague. Like, entirely vague.


Explain this. http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=73889562&f=119&p=525625079#p525625079
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Quote (CPK001 @ 29 Jan 2018 08:59)


We all know it's bullshit, a lie made to scam simply minded people
2000 or more pages book, pick up parts, then claiming about right prophecies.

Bad joke, and dangerous, goulag for this, no doubt.

Btw
http://nationalpost.com/news/world/poisoned-toothpaste-and-exploding-phones-israel-linked-to-2700-assassination-operations-in-70-years

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Jan 29 2018 12:30pm
Quote (Santara @ 28 Jan 2018 13:48)
The stories told to us by the Bible must be taken with a grain of salt, considering it was men and not God who wrote it.


That's fine. I'm simply saying that the god described by the bible does not and never did exist. If you want to create your own god by picking the believable things the bible says and ignoring the less believable things then that's your business and an entirely different god.

As I stated - I can say with a pretty high level of certainty that the God of Abraham and Moses does not and did not exist. I said nothing about the god of Santara.

The thing that gets me though is that while you're picking and choosing between what has to be taken with a grain of salt, what's just an allegory or metaphor and what is actual historical fact you decide that resurrection, people living for 500+ years, magic leprosy-curing hands, a paradise in another world where believers go after they die and a fiery pit filled with demons and naughty people who don't believe all this shit are somehow much more plausible, more believable, than a worldwide flood or all the firstborn of Egypt dying.


Quote (CPK001 @ 28 Jan 2018 10:21)
Then explain to me how The Bible managed to accurately predict the events in 1948?


I did. It didn't.

This post was edited by Scaly on Jan 29 2018 12:31pm
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Quote (Scaly @ Jan 29 2018 12:30pm)
That's fine. I'm simply saying that the god described by the bible does not and never did exist. If you want to create your own god by picking the believable things the bible says and ignoring the less believable things then that's your business and an entirely different god.

As I stated - I can say with a pretty high level of certainty that the God of Abraham and Moses does not and did not exist. I said nothing about the god of Santara.

The thing that gets me though is that while you're picking and choosing between what has to be taken with a grain of salt, what's just an allegory or metaphor and what is actual historical fact you decide that resurrection, people living for 500+ years, magic leprosy-curing hands, a paradise in another world where believers go after they die and a fiery pit filled with demons and naughty people who don't believe all this shit are somehow much more plausible, more believable, than a worldwide flood or all the firstborn of Egypt dying.




I did. It didn't.


historically the Jews weren't the greatest people around....
however they are still gods chosen people...
you can believe whatever you want, and I will pray for you...

Jesus loves you, but you can be real dicks when you want to...
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