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Mar 31 2024 08:52am
Quote (di3tc0ke @ Mar 31 2024 04:41pm)
thx for the clarification. yes, it is after inner sight applied:

https://i.postimg.cc/ZRVyGxJX/Untitled-4.jpg


well Umephisto have a base of 3360def, Udiablo 2940 & Ubaal 3150 then with inner sight you does remove 1415 base defence at level 28 of the skill. But don't forget that Ubaal can cast Chilling Armor at level 37 that upgrade his defence to 15246 that you can reduce with your inner sight to 8397.
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Quote (di3tc0ke @ Mar 31 2024 07:41am)
thx for the clarification. yes, it is after inner sight applied:

https://i.postimg.cc/ZRVyGxJX/Untitled-4.jpg


Nice I see you've got the attack defend calculation programmed in excel :D

Only thing I can think of to help you there is more passive skills (gcs maybe?) To boost inner sight or soul drainer gloves (-50 defense per hit)

The downside of soul drainer is you're losing lifetap / the 350% demon damage from LoH, the proc of Weaken will over write Lifetap.

The -defense mechanic is really powerful though and works well with such a rapid attack - it wouldn't take long to land 36 hits and have the defense = 0 I.e., 95% chance to hit which represents a 28% increase in total dps from 74% chance to hit.

Chances are you're better off with dracs and lifetap tho, not doing any dps when you're dead.

Tbh most important thing w ubers is to stay alive and deal crushing blow. The actual damage from attack is only really important for the last 5% of life.

What gloves have u been using?
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Quote (Bers3rker @ Mar 31 2024 11:52pm)
well Umephisto have a base of 3360def, Udiablo 2940 & Ubaal 3150 then with inner sight you does remove 1415 base defence at level 28 of the skill. But don't forget that Ubaal can cast Chilling Armor at level 37 that upgrade his defence to 15246 that you can reduce with your inner sight to 8397.

Thx for the info! That's huge difference!

Quote (ZeaLORDeaL @ Apr 1 2024 12:59am)
Nice I see you've got the attack defend calculation programmed in excel :D

Only thing I can think of to help you there is more passive skills (gcs maybe?) To boost inner sight or soul drainer gloves (-50 defense per hit)

The downside of soul drainer is you're losing lifetap / the 350% demon damage from LoH, the proc of Weaken will over write Lifetap.

The -defense mechanic is really powerful though and works well with such a rapid attack - it wouldn't take long to land 36 hits and have the defense = 0 I.e., 95% chance to hit which represents a 28% increase in total dps from 74% chance to hit.

Chances are you're better off with dracs and lifetap tho, not doing any dps when you're dead.

Tbh most important thing w ubers is to stay alive and deal crushing blow. The actual damage from attack is only really important for the last 5% of life.

What gloves have u been using?

Passive GCs improve many skills, yeah, thx for the input!

You can check what I've been using here(Other than LCs/Scs, they are exactly the same with what I've been using): https://maxroll.gg/d2/d2planner/bi2tw09t
Yes, I'm using Drac. I've never thought of Soul Drainer, but it's decent! But I can't survive without LifeTap...

Oh, my armor has 1O, but have'nt socked anything vs Mini-Ubers, lol. Yeah, I forgot about that. I'll get an Um ;)

This post was edited by di3tc0ke on Mar 31 2024 04:23pm
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There are many people who don't understand how Strafe works. Thanks to , I've learned it a couple of days ago. Now let me share what I've learned.

The following is all you need to know, if you prefer concise version:

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Minimum Arrows min( [slvl/4] + 2 , 10)
Maximum Arrows min(slvl+3 , 10)
Next Delay (Frames) 4


Let's break them down a bit.

slvl stands for Skill level here.

Now look at min( [slvl/4] + 2 , 10). If your Strafe's lvl is 4, then 4/4 = 1, plus 2, then you'll get 3. Then there is min(), which takes the smaller one. In this case, min(3, 10), 3 < 10, so you'll get 3 in the end. This is the numbers how many bows you can shoot in one cycle.

Therefore, you need lvl 32 Strafe if you want to shoot 10 arrows ((32/4)+2=10) for 1 shot.

Maximum Arrows min(slvl+3 , 10) is the same and easy to achieve.

Then why you need 10 arrows per cycle? This is because your Beginning and Finishing moves are slower, but moves in between are much faster.

The following is 's 7fpa example:
https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=103632427&f=148&p=659977917

30+45+40+20 = 135 IAS, and lvl 1 Fanat and BoI on top. You only need 40 IAS for 7FPA when BoI is activated for Guided Arrow/Multiple Shot.
(BTW, I'd go with GMB in this chase, because 86 IAS offers 7FPA under the same condition)

But do you remember? We're checking Strafe, not GA/Multiple Shot!

Babaun's setup: MB 135 IAS = 4+(2)+6, and lvl 23 Strafe (if maxed). Then min(23/4+2, 10) = 7, the result is:
4, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 6

My setup: https://maxroll.gg/d2/d2planner/bi2tw09t
Colossus Crossbow 40IAS = 8+(5)+13, and lvl 32 Strafe. Then min(32/4+2, 10) = 10, the result is:
8, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 13

Hm... Babun's setup looks better than mine, even for Strafe? NO. Let us remember the last part of the spec: Next Delay (Frames) 4

What does this mean at all? You hit a monster, then you have to wait for another 4 frames, then you can hit with another arrow, otherwise your arrow(s) will always miss(or be not calculated if they hit or miss at all). So 5 FPA is the best attacking speed for Strafe.

Babun's setup:
4, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 6
g, n, n, g, n, n, g

Here g means good to be checked, n means nope. So only 3 out of 7 will be checked if they hit or not, vs 1 monster like Diablo.

Mine:
8, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 13
g, g, g, g, g, g, g, g, g, g

See? 10 out of 10 will be checked.

Colossus Crossbow offers almost 40% more dmg than GMB(not MA), and hits way more than GMB with Strafe. This is the reason why I've chosen it as my Bow vs Ubers.

(Don't get me wrong here. Babun's setup is for GA/MA. It's a totally different build from mine.)

I hope I have some time tonight to challenge Big-Ubers!
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Apr 1 2024 03:04am
OK, I challenged Big-Ubers.

Uber-Baal: not too hard as long as it attacks Decoy. And I can tank it.

Uber-Diablo: the easiest one.

Uber-Mephisto: Couldn't take it down. Strafe doesn't work well vs too many minions. And I need more @res. I didn't expect poison from minions hurt a lot...

I'll collect res charms(and keys... Does anyone buy my Unid Torch for 4x keyset plz?)

(My Druid has killed Uber-Mephisto with Fleshripper as always ;) )
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Quote (respeconize8 @ 25 Mar 2024 18:55)
i really wouldnt build a zon with anything but windforce or faith, wf is cheap enough that nothing else is really worth it tbh. maybe a buriza or something else for leveling


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Quote (di3tc0ke @ Mar 25 2024 01:10pm)
I'm lvling Zon now.

Which budget bow(s) do you recommend if you wanna do Ubers?

I'm considering either Insight, Hustle, Harmony or Windforce, but I hope you guys better choices. ty ;)


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Quote (Hamsterbaby @ Apr 1 2024 06:47pm)
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hehe... yea, @40 is exactly same with Mist. And I can sock it with @Res Jewel or other res jewel. So far so good.

The biggest drawback is: Diamond Bow is quite fast for Strafe.

Even 0 IAS = 6+(3)+10
6, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 10
g, n, g, n, g, n, g, n, g, g

So 4 arrows out of 10 never hit.

But wait, I need another bow dedicated to Uber-Mephisto, and it is surrounded by tons of minions. So faster Strafe doesn't hurt!

56 IAS = 5+(3)+7
5, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 7

Compare to my Mist Colossus Crossbow:
8, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 13

Much better! Thx for the recommendation!

My current swap is Riphook, which works well vs Uber-Baal btw ;)
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Upped WW String . B)


so you play p1...?
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Quote (di3tc0ke @ Apr 1 2024 03:50am)
There are many people who don't understand how Strafe works. Thanks to ^SinsOfTheSun, I've learned it a couple of days ago. Now let me share what I've learned.

The following is all you need to know, if you prefer concise version:

Code
Minimum Arrows min( [slvl/4] + 2 , 10)
Maximum Arrows min(slvl+3 , 10)
Next Delay (Frames) 4


Let's break them down a bit.

slvl stands for Skill level here.

Now look at min( [slvl/4] + 2 , 10). If your Strafe's lvl is 4, then 4/4 = 1, plus 2, then you'll get 3. Then there is min(), which takes the smaller one. In this case, min(3, 10), 3 < 10, so you'll get 3 in the end. This is the numbers how many bows you can shoot in one cycle.

Therefore, you need lvl 32 Strafe if you want to shoot 10 arrows ((32/4)+2=10) for 1 shot.

Maximum Arrows min(slvl+3 , 10) is the same and easy to achieve.

Then why you need 10 arrows per cycle? This is because your Beginning and Finishing moves are slower, but moves in between are much faster.

The following is ^Babun1024 's 7fpa example:
https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=103632427&f=148&p=659977917

30+45+40+20 = 135 IAS, and lvl 1 Fanat and BoI on top. You only need 40 IAS for 7FPA when BoI is activated for Guided Arrow/Multiple Shot.
(BTW, I'd go with GMB in this chase, because 86 IAS offers 7FPA under the same condition)

But do you remember? We're checking Strafe, not GA/Multiple Shot!

Babaun's setup: MB 135 IAS = 4+(2)+6, and lvl 23 Strafe (if maxed). Then min(23/4+2, 10) = 7, the result is:
4, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 6

My setup: https://maxroll.gg/d2/d2planner/bi2tw09t
Colossus Crossbow 40IAS = 8+(5)+13, and lvl 32 Strafe. Then min(32/4+2, 10) = 10, the result is:
8, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 13

Hm... Babun's setup looks better than mine, even for Strafe? NO. Let us remember the last part of the spec: Next Delay (Frames) 4

What does this mean at all? You hit a monster, then you have to wait for another 4 frames, then you can hit with another arrow, otherwise your arrow(s) will always miss(or be not calculated if they hit or miss at all). So 5 FPA is the best attacking speed for Strafe.

Babun's setup:
4, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 6
g, n, n, g, n, n, g

Here g means good to be checked, n means nope. So only 3 out of 7 will be checked if they hit or not, vs 1 monster like Diablo.

Mine:
8, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 13
g, g, g, g, g, g, g, g, g, g

See? 10 out of 10 will be checked.

Colossus Crossbow offers almost 40% more dmg than GMB(not MA), and hits way more than GMB with Strafe. This is the reason why I've chosen it as my Bow vs Ubers.

(Don't get me wrong here. Babun's setup is for GA/MA. It's a totally different build from mine.)

I hope I have some time tonight to challenge Big-Ubers!


You don't miss anything because there is never a single target in ubertrist and windforce does massive dmg against demons if you wear LoH. I still think you'll fail in your endeavor und you just jab them with dracs and gobllin toes on.

This post was edited by babun1024 on Apr 1 2024 04:42am
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