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Mar 25 2024 04:10am
I'm lvling Zon now.

Which budget bow(s) do you recommend if you wanna do Ubers?

I'm considering either Insight, Hustle, Harmony or Windforce, but I hope you guys better choices. ty ;)
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Mar 25 2024 04:20am
if you go with strafe as a main skill buriza is probably better than those other budget options
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i really wouldnt build a zon with anything but windforce or faith, wf is cheap enough that nothing else is really worth it tbh. maybe a buriza or something else for leveling
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Quote (Bers3rker @ Mar 25 2024 07:20pm)
if you go with strafe as a main skill buriza is probably better than those other budget options


I've never used Crossbow, but Buriza-do, which "-" means a long vowel in Japanese ブリザード, looks cool. But it's weird two IAS calculators show Buriza-do is 7FPA in general while Windforce is 5FPA. Buriza-do is slower than Windforce by 40% then.

https://maxroll.gg/d2/d2planner/jg1to06x
Buriza-do:
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Strafe – Level 20
Damage: 641–2595
Attack Rate: 38 frames per 7 hits (4.61 hits per second)
Damage per Second: 2799


https://maxroll.gg/d2/d2planner/ng17j0zj
Windforce:
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Strafe – Level 20
Damage: 235–3488
Attack Rate: 31 frames per 7 hits (5.65 hits per second)
Damage per Second: 3773


I wonder why Buriza-do is so slow even with 80 IAS...

Quote (respeconize8 @ Mar 25 2024 07:55pm)
i really wouldnt build a zon with anything but windforce or faith, wf is cheap enough that nothing else is really worth it tbh. maybe a buriza or something else for leveling

Ty for the recommendation.

https://maxroll.gg/d2/d2planner/rz17w0zk
Insight GMB:
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Strafe – Level 23
Damage: 485–1884
Attack Rate: 39 frames per 7 hits (4.49 hits per second)
Damage per Second: 3591


https://maxroll.gg/d2/d2planner/v517v0zk
Harmony GMB:
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Strafe – Level 23
Damage: 587–2411
Attack Rate: 39 frames per 7 hits (4.49 hits per second)
Damage per Second: 3146


https://maxroll.gg/d2/d2planner/jg1u1068
Hustle GMB:
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Strafe – Level 23
Damage: 305–1570
Attack Rate: 28 frames per 7 hits (6.25 hits per second)
Damage per Second: 2211


Hm... Insight offers better dmg than I expected and faster than Windforce. As I need to proc CB and OW to kill Ubers, faster the better.

https://maxroll.gg/d2/d2planner/4o1800zj
Insight Matriarch Bow:
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Strafe – Level 23
Damage: 673–1342
Attack Rate: 31 frames per 7 hits (5.65 hits per second)
Damage per Second: 3196

(Dex is higher than other bows, so dmg is quite high)

Insight is quite nice, and even offers 180-250% AR.

I need to check IAS table :thumbsup:
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Mar 25 2024 07:26am
Quote (di3tc0ke @ 25 Mar 2024 18:10)
I'm lvling Zon now.

Which budget bow(s) do you recommend if you wanna do Ubers?

I'm considering either Insight, Hustle, Harmony or Windforce, but I hope you guys better choices. ty ;)


Upped Witch Wild String...under rated bow.

This post was edited by Hamsterbaby on Mar 25 2024 07:26am
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Quote (di3tc0ke @ Mar 25 2024 07:49am)
I've never used Crossbow, but Buriza-do, which "-" means a long vowel in Japanese ブリザード, looks cool. But it's weird two IAS calculators show Buriza-do is 7FPA in general while Windforce is 5FPA. Buriza-do is slower than Windforce by 40% then.

https://maxroll.gg/d2/d2planner/jg1to06x
Buriza-do:


https://maxroll.gg/d2/d2planner/ng17j0zj
Windforce:


I wonder why Buriza-do is so slow even with 80 IAS...


Ty for the recommendation.

https://maxroll.gg/d2/d2planner/rz17w0zk
Insight GMB:


https://maxroll.gg/d2/d2planner/v517v0zk
Harmony GMB:


https://maxroll.gg/d2/d2planner/jg1u1068
Hustle GMB:


Hm... Insight offers better dmg than I expected and faster than Windforce. As I need to proc CB and OW to kill Ubers, faster the better.

https://maxroll.gg/d2/d2planner/4o1800zj
Insight Matriarch Bow:

(Dex is higher than other bows, so dmg is quite high)

Insight is quite nice, and even offers 180-250% AR.

I need to check IAS table :thumbsup:


Ohhh you have soooo much to learn about strafe and bows and xbows and zons to be able to just start to understand how all those calculations you made are so very wrong haha

This is one of the most complicated subject on d2.
Ill give you like the first 1% of the info to get you started…

Strafe has a maximum number of hits on the same target based on its skill level.
To hit all 10 arrows, you need slvl 32+
Formula is : min( [slvl/4] + 2 , 10)

It is also affected by next hit delay (nhd) so it will miss any consecutive hits against the same target if you reach 4fps or faster.
Use warren’s ias calculator to check which frame you reach.
Using crossbows make it easier to maintain attack frames lower to have the most dps vs single target.
The most single target dps you can get is using Brand in a colossus crossbow

Keep reading on the subject, as I said you probly have a few weeks of readings to start to understand the next 99%
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Quote (SinsOfTheSun @ Mar 25 2024 10:39pm)
Ohhh you have soooo much to learn about strafe and bows and xbows and zons to be able to just start to understand how all those calculations you made are so very wrong haha

This is one of the most complicated subject on d2.
Ill give you like the first 1% of the info to get you started…

Strafe has a maximum number of hits on the same target based on its skill level.
To hit all 10 arrows, you need slvl 32+
Formula is : min( [slvl/4] + 2 , 10)

It is also affected by next hit delay (nhd) so it will miss any consecutive hits against the same target if you reach 4fps or faster.
Use warren’s ias calculator to check which frame you reach.
Using crossbows make it easier to maintain attack frames lower to have the most dps vs single target.
The most single target dps you can get is using Brand in a colossus crossbow

Keep reading on the subject, as I said you probly have a few weeks of readings to start to understand the next 99%


Seems interesting! You wrote 4FPS, but I wonder if you meant 4FPA?


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Mar 25 2024 08:44am
Quote (di3tc0ke @ Mar 25 2024 07:49am)
I've never used Crossbow, but Buriza-do, which "-" means a long vowel in Japanese ブリザード, looks cool. But it's weird two IAS calculators show Buriza-do is 7FPA in general while Windforce is 5FPA. Buriza-do is slower than Windforce by 40% then.

https://maxroll.gg/d2/d2planner/jg1to06x
Buriza-do:


https://maxroll.gg/d2/d2planner/ng17j0zj
Windforce:


I wonder why Buriza-do is so slow even with 80 IAS...


Ty for the recommendation.

https://maxroll.gg/d2/d2planner/rz17w0zk
Insight GMB:


https://maxroll.gg/d2/d2planner/v517v0zk
Harmony GMB:


https://maxroll.gg/d2/d2planner/jg1u1068
Hustle GMB:


Hm... Insight offers better dmg than I expected and faster than Windforce. As I need to proc CB and OW to kill Ubers, faster the better.

https://maxroll.gg/d2/d2planner/4o1800zj
Insight Matriarch Bow:

(Dex is higher than other bows, so dmg is quite high)

Insight is quite nice, and even offers 180-250% AR.

I need to check IAS table :thumbsup:


So you take issue with it being shortened to buriza but use every other abbreviation under the sun? :lol:
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Quote (SinsOfTheSun @ Mar 25 2024 10:39pm)
Ohhh you have soooo much to learn about strafe and bows and xbows and zons to be able to just start to understand how all those calculations you made are so very wrong haha

This is one of the most complicated subject on d2.
Ill give you like the first 1% of the info to get you started…

Strafe has a maximum number of hits on the same target based on its skill level.
To hit all 10 arrows, you need slvl 32+
Formula is : min( [slvl/4] + 2 , 10)

It is also affected by next hit delay (nhd) so it will miss any consecutive hits against the same target if you reach 4fps or faster.
Use warren’s ias calculator to check which frame you reach.
Using crossbows make it easier to maintain attack frames lower to have the most dps vs single target.
The most single target dps you can get is using Brand in a colossus crossbow

Keep reading on the subject, as I said you probly have a few weeks of readings to start to understand the next 99%


ty for the info. I've read basin and checked warren's. Based on the ias calc, Buriza-do is too fast! The ideal one is colossus crossbow with 41 or less ias...
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