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Aug 16 2023 02:54am
Basically the dimensions (size) of the catacomb is based off of the character level that created (entered) the catacomb.

Basically just need a record of the character level creating the catacomb and the dimension upon completing it (not Trap Doors) and the level of the character(s) completing it. This is what I have done so far.


Continued:
Catacomb Dimension(s) are based on character level when "Creating/Entering" from the beginning. All information recorded from Solo exploring ONLY. At a later date, I will hopefully compare the Map Dimension(s). I believe someone has this information.

ADDITIONAL NOTE: Character levels completing a catacomb is affected/effected by how many Alchemists are online at the time for each Core.

Code
Dimension Catacomb Completed by:

05wX05h level 01 (level 02)
05wX05h level 02 (level 03)
06wX05h level 03 (level 04)
06wX06h level 04 (level 05)
07wX06h level 05 (level 07)
07wX06h level 06 (level 08)
08wX06h level 07 (level 09)
08wX07h level 08 (level ??)
09wX07h level 09 (level 11-13)
09wX07h level 10 (level 13)
10wX07h level 11 (level 15)
??wX?? level 12
11wX08h level 13 (level 16)
11wX08h level 14 (level 18)
12wX09h level 15
12wX09h level 16 (level 20)
??wX?? level 17
13wX09h level 18 (level 23-/+)
??wX?? level 19
14wX10h level 20 (level 26)
15wX10h level 21 (level 31)
??wX?? level 22
15wX11h level 23 (29+)
??wX?? level 24
16wX11h level 25 (level 34)
17wX14h level 26 (level 32)??
??wX?? level 27
??wX?? level 28
??wX?? level 29
??wX?? level 30
19wX?? level 31 (Td'd ?)
20wX13h level 32 (level 43)
20wX13h level 33 (Td'd ?)
21wX14h level 34 (level 46)
??wX?? level 35
??wX?? level 36
??wX?? level 37
??wX?? level 38
24wX15h level 39 (TD'd ?)
24wX15h level 40 (level 59+)
??wX?? level 41
??wX?? level 42
25wX16h level 43 (level 61)
??wX?? level 44
??wX?? level 45
26wX17h level 46 (level 67)
??wX??h level 47
27wX17h level 48 (level 72+)


I have kept some information out of what has been displayed since they were not completed.
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Aug 16 2023 04:06am
Did you identified a minimum size to pop a TD or TD can pop on every map?
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Quote (Tds95 @ 16 Aug 2023 22:06)
Did you identified a minimum size to pop a TD or TD can pop on every map?


From running full catacombs from level 1 to Master Quest (Feeder / Samurai and Paladin), I have noticed that a Trap Door can be found in a level 1+ catacomb unless the Event has "No Trap Doors".

This is the same to finding a Well or not, the only thing I have experienced during +X Well events, I have found 0 wells full exploring from level 1 to 15 dimension (size) catacombs less frequently during an Event that doesn't have +X Well modifier.

Maybe it is just bad luck or RNG... however, the last two(2) events that had +3 and +2 Well modifier, I came across either 0 or 1 well in the catacomb (maze) ... now, if you can find one(1) well in a catacomb and the EVENT modifier has +2 or +3 Wells ... you should find more than 1 Well in a catacomb and starting size is based on level 15+ Dimension(s): 12wX09h, especially when you can find a Well in a 5x5 level 1 catacomb.
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Aug 17 2023 11:27pm
Can not confirm these Catacomb Dimensions as they were never completed.


Level 51 start = 30w x 18h
Level 55 start = 32w x 20h
Level 67 start = 39w x 24h


Level 57? start = 32w x 21h ... currently level 65 and gained 7 levels, however, I am not sure that I used /clear beforehand. Thus... the level 55 start with 32w x 20h may confirm level 57 start of the catacomb.
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Aug 20 2023 06:51pm
Again, unconfirmed because incomplete, only used Lightshot to get the numbers:

Level 50 start = 29w x 18h ... fell in a td @ 53
Level 53 start = 31w x 19h ... still in catacomb atm.
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Level 56 start = 32w x 21h

Got to MQ level 75 and 80% completed the dimension (from corner to corner).

This post was edited by izParagonzi on Aug 21 2023 09:36pm
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Aug 23 2023 04:31am
Quote (izParagonzi @ 16 Aug 2023 20:54)
Basically the dimensions (size) of the catacomb is based off of the character level that created (entered) the catacomb.

Basically just need a record of the character level creating the catacomb and the dimension upon completing it (not Trap Doors) and the level of the character(s) completing it. This is what I have done so far.


Continued:
Catacomb Dimension(s) are based on character level when "Creating/Entering" from the beginning. All information recorded from Solo exploring ONLY. At a later date, I will hopefully compare the Map Dimension(s). I believe someone has this information.

ADDITIONAL NOTE: Character levels completing a catacomb is affected/effected by how many Alchemists are online at the time for each Core.

Code
Dimension Catacomb Completed by:

05wX05h level 01 (level 02)
05wX05h level 02 (level 03)
06wX05h level 03 (level 04)
06wX06h level 04 (level 05)
07wX06h level 05 (level 07)
07wX06h level 06 (level 08)
08wX06h level 07 (level 09)
08wX07h level 08 (level ??)
09wX07h level 09 (level 11-13)
09wX07h level 10 (level 13)
10wX07h level 11 (level 15)
??wX?? level 12
11wX08h level 13 (level 16)
11wX08h level 14 (level 18)
12wX09h level 15
12wX09h level 16 (level 20)
??wX?? level 17
13wX09h level 18 (level 23-/+)
??wX?? level 19
14wX10h level 20 (level 26)
15wX10h level 21 (level 31)
??wX?? level 22
15wX11h level 23 (29+)
??wX?? level 24
16wX11h level 25 (level 34)
17wX14h level 26 (level 32)??
??wX?? level 27
??wX?? level 28
??wX?? level 29
??wX?? level 30
19wX?? level 31 (Td'd ?)
20wX13h level 32 (level 43)
20wX13h level 33 (Td'd ?)
21wX14h level 34 (level 46)
??wX?? level 35
??wX?? level 36
??wX?? level 37
??wX?? level 38
24wX15h level 39 (TD'd ?)
24wX15h level 40 (level 59+)
??wX?? level 41
??wX?? level 42
25wX16h level 43 (level 61)
??wX?? level 44
??wX?? level 45
26wX17h level 46 (level 67)
??wX??h level 47
27wX17h level 48 (level 72+)


I have kept some information out of what has been displayed since they were not completed.


Quote (izParagonzi @ 16 Aug 2023 22:54)
From running full catacombs from level 1 to Master Quest (Feeder / Samurai and Paladin), I have noticed that a Trap Door can be found in a level 1+ catacomb unless the Event has "No Trap Doors".

This is the same to finding a Well or not, the only thing I have experienced during +X Well events, I have found 0 wells full exploring from level 1 to 15 dimension (size) catacombs less frequently during an Event that doesn't have +X Well modifier.

Maybe it is just bad luck or RNG... however, the last two(2) events that had +3 and +2 Well modifier, I came across either 0 or 1 well in the catacomb (maze) ... now, if you can find one(1) well in a catacomb and the EVENT modifier has +2 or +3 Wells ... you should find more than 1 Well in a catacomb and starting size is based on level 15+ Dimension(s): 12wX09h, especially when you can find a Well in a 5x5 level 1 catacomb.


Quote (izParagonzi @ 18 Aug 2023 17:27)
Can not confirm these Catacomb Dimensions as they were never completed.


Level 51 start = 30w x 18h
Level 55 start = 32w x 20h
Level 67 start = 39w x 24h


Level 57? start = 32w x 21h ... currently level 65 and gained 7 levels, however, I am not sure that I used /clear beforehand. Thus... the level 55 start with 32w x 20h may confirm level 57 start of the catacomb.


Quote (izParagonzi @ 21 Aug 2023 12:51)
Again, unconfirmed because incomplete, only used Lightshot to get the numbers:

Level 50 start = 29w x 18h ... fell in a td @ 53
Level 53 start = 31w x 19h ... still in catacomb atm.


Quote (izParagonzi @ 22 Aug 2023 15:35)
Level 56 start = 32w x 21h

Got to MQ level 75 and 80% completed the dimension (from corner to corner).


Additional Information previously quoted has been included into the the Table (Code) format below as well as an explanation or more:

KEY:
w = Width
h = Height
+ = complete at higher level
- = complete at lower level
+/- = completed either lower or higher level
?? = incomplete information

Code
Dimension Catacomb Completed by:

05wX05h level 01 (level 02)
05wX05h level 02 (level 03)
06wX05h level 03 (level 04)
06wX06h level 04 (level 05)
07wX06h level 05 (level 07)
07wX06h level 06 (level 08)
08wX06h level 07 (level 09)
08wX07h level 08 (level ??)
09wX07h level 09 (level 11-13)
09wX07h level 10 (level 13)
10wX07h level 11 (level 15)
??wX?? level 12
11wX08h level 13 (level 16)
11wX08h level 14 (level 18)
12wX09h level 15
12wX09h level 16 (level 20)
??wX?? level 17
13wX09h level 18 (level 23-/+)
??wX?? level 19
14wX10h level 20 (level 26)
15wX10h level 21 (level 31)
16wX10h level 22 (level 26+)
15wX11h level 23 (29+)
??wX?? level 24
16wX11h level 25 (level 34)
17wX14h level 26 (level 32)??
??wX?? level 27
??wX?? level 28
19wX12h level 29 (39+/-)
??wX?? level 30
19wX?? level 31 (Td'd ?)
20wX13h level 32 (level 43)
20wX13h level 33 (Td'd ?)
21wX14h level 34 (level 46)
??wX?? level 35
??wX?? level 36
??wX?? level 37
??wX?? level 38
24wX15h level 39 (TD'd ?)
24wX15h level 40 (level 59+)
??wX?? level 41
??wX?? level 42
25wX16h level 43 (level 61)
??wX?? level 44
??wX?? level 45
26wX17h level 46 (level 67)
??wX??h level 47
27wX17h level 48 (level 72+)
??wX?? level 49
29wX18h level 50??
30wX18h level 51??
??wX?? level 52
31wX19h level 53??
??wX?? level 54
32w20h level 55??
32wX21h level 56 (MQ lvl 75+)
32wX21 level 57??
??wX?? level 58
??wX?? level 59
??wX?? level 60
??wX?? level 61
??wX?? level 62
??wX?? level 63
??wX?? level 64
??wX?? level 65
??wX?? level 66
39wX24h level 67??


Note: My first quoted paragraph referring to Trap Doors... this also applies with finding a Well, Emblem. Treasure Chest or even a Flash (spin to another location) ... can be found during a level 1 catacomb plus (Maps ignore Trap Doors as well as the Event).

Additional Information: Included some runs:
Level 22 / 26 & 29 start information to the Code (table) ... presently working on level 39+ Dimensions with my Paladin iz6.

Also... Active Alchemists on the core will adjust your experience gain during runs, and also when using +X% Experience or +X Jubilance items + Event modifiers. Basically to my understanding, they all stack and accumulate in certain circumstances ... example: You are using +2 Jubilance during your climb, add in +2% experience gain from item(s) and also adding to the mix of 3 Alchemists online at the same time during your run ... with + Jubilance and being active (prior to level 71) in a catacomb (whistle or not) you gain more experience PER HIT.

This is different when sitting in town doing nothing ... this is speculation because I have never tried it when an Alchemist (or more) are online in conjunction with any +X% Experience gain modifier with an Event that is running at that time sitting in town... but, I do know from experience that +X Jubilance gear worn and attacking in a Catacomb / Map maze reaps the benefits... again... this needs to be tested out on the next reset.

This post was edited by izParagonzi on Aug 23 2023 04:51am
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Aug 23 2023 06:11am
just an update since I am intoxicated and may fall off to sleep.

Previously I posted I was testing out a Level 39 character level start in a catacomb run, well the dimensions are 24w X 16h ... I am still exploring it and at level 44 and basically only 18-20% explored:

https://prnt.sc/GyLpcSON7xkg

So... wish me luck to complete it without a TD etc... thanks in advance.
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Quote (izParagonzi @ Aug 23 2023 01:11pm)
just an update since I am intoxicated and may fall off to sleep.

Previously I posted I was testing out a Level 39 character level start in a catacomb run, well the dimensions are 24w X 16h ... I am still exploring it and at level 44 and basically only 18-20% explored:

https://prnt.sc/GyLpcSON7xkg

So... wish me luck to complete it without a TD etc... thanks in advance.


Good luck but what's the point of tracking the level of completion with one sample? Surely it differs massively depending on number and size of rooms, teleport traps, bad pathing etc.

From my limited experience trying to fully explore at later levels especially on no trap door detect is way worse then just going for new squares looking for evil presense
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Quote (woofer14 @ 24 Aug 2023 08:58)
Good luck but what's the point of tracking the level of completion with one sample? Surely it differs massively depending on number and size of rooms, teleport traps, bad pathing etc.

From my limited experience trying to fully explore at later levels especially on no trap door detect is way worse then just going for new squares looking for evil presense


"tracking the level of completion with one sample?"

First off, it is not just one(1) sample that I want to explore, however, I want to find an "estimate" of the level range that can be obtained ... hence my last post with "-/+" indicators. Also, how many Alchemists are online during that run, or how much +Jubilance you have on, or items with +X% Experience gain... or even those in an Event including +X experience cap modifier (only found with an Event, does not appear with items etc). Hey... you may click on an "Emblem" during your run(s) with some modifier to all of the above (excluding Experience Cap from an Event).

Yes, it massively differs based on what you stated and what I have concluded, however, if I complete a catacomb that has +X% Maximum Room Size from an Event, and I clear it easily... I will state the level completed and add in a + sign, this indicates the lowest level you will complete the dimension of XXw X XXh ... you can see it posted already:

16wX10h level 22 (level 26+)

During this catacomb, I had very little Teleport traps and had +X% Maximum Room size making it completely easy to complete... thus, the minimum level to complete a level 22 catacomb is level 26.

This thread is about completing a catacomb for your (solo) or group to reach Master Quest level... as for those trying to complete Mirror Maze, the dimension could easily be recorded if they start the catacomb from level 70.

Hey... once I have the definition of a Map maze dimension in comparison to a standard Catacomb dimension and completion of it, then maybe we can switch the importance of Map drops compared to character level.
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