Any religion and God aside, how do you feel the universe came to be?

Do you believe in the law of causality? It states that everything that begins to exist has a cause. Therefore nothingness has never existed.

Again, as I told you yesterday, the claim that nothingness has ever existed (which is a contradiction by itself) has never been made by anyone other than religious people when they talk about science. You always bring that up like you just found the Holy Grail.

Nothing is not up for debate. Its not a scientific word anyways.

There's no need to continue the conversation on this subject for you and I. We disagree and will continue to disagree.

There have been people outside of religion state this and again there are scientists and philosophers that have made these statements and are the ones that back the law of causality. Around 41% of these scientists are not religious.

My faith remains in God's word.

This post was edited by D_urRRR on Apr 10 2026 07:48am

subjectively it makes sense. objectively you cant actually test it for your self
and all of that you take on faith. that they wouldnt lie to you. like the magic with the lucy fossil reconstructed with human hands and human feet. but surly they wouldnt lie about the stars and space?
your a fine example of how devoutly religious a 'atheist is in their own godhood. we have watched how you have dodged anything that challenges what you believe. its reminiscent of the matrix dodging bullets. helium in zircons, atmospheric c-14, gravity and time, the 'fossil clown show.

used to be all the 'atheists believed in the "steady state" (the universe was infinite and eternal) and they would defend it with all the zeal your defending the current accepted belief.
funny after actual science the narrative comes ever closer to the biblical narrative. 'atheists screaming all the way as they get dragged along

the unthinkable? can a 'atheist actually test his own belief after declaring "no god" which in so doing declares his own "godhood"

try the first vid, the first post
Atheist/antitheist Chit Science
https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=92846851&f=90

This post was edited by TiStuff on Apr 10 2026 08:34am

The "Law" of Causality is not a very strict law. It applies to most things, but we actually KNOW of things even here on earth that do not follow it. Its a generalisation.

Also, you might not realize it, but you cherrypick science.

You treat the Law of Causality as a universal fact, but dismiss so much other facts because they arent very fitting for you.

You say the bible is the word of god, but probably never wasted a thought about words and books in context of history, or did you?

Humans didnt have language, words or writings for most of their existence. Thats also a scientific fact. You treat those facts as facts as well or just that one Law you love so much?

There were no words to spread for god. No ability to speak, no ability to write anything down. God created humans without language. Without words, without scripture, without culture. It took a looong time to develop those abilities, so god held back his word quite long, right. He waited until we figured it all out. He let us hunt mammoth first, dwell in caves. The question for you should be can the bible really be the word of god if words arent divone but strictly human or did we, ad science says, invent language and words ourselves?
Looks like we did, humans slowly developed language and words and the ability to write language down. God had no language, we developed it, we started to write it down. God didnt create Adam and Eve and told them about anything. That is also science. Do you treat that like you treat the "Law of Causality"?

Who are "they"?

"they" would be the people that tell you the fairy tales that you believe without question.


was obviously a sleezy distraction post in a effort to protect your flimsy world view.

So all people operating in that field are in on the Atheist conspiracy. All formulars, explanations and demonstrations are fake? Damn, bro. I hope none of them speaks up and destroys my reality. Cant believe I fell for this.

The concept of the Law of Causality / stating that every material effect must have an adequate cause / comes from a state of eternal. The concept would not work outside of God, a being that is outside of time/space/matter/energy. In order for our universe to be possible it has to come from a place of material effect/adequate cause as it is not possible to exist from a place of nothing. Then you look at any science that studies our world, our body, everything in the observable universe and we see design. Nothing we see points to accidental. It's way too complex and detailed of a system for everything we study and observe to not see the work of a creator. I appreciate all forms of science and humans have come a very long way to understand a great deal of our observable positioning.

Now that we understand that every material effect must have an adequate cause and seeing evidence of creation to digging into history you find Jesus who taught of our heavenly father and preached the gospel and that gospel accounts for everything we have learned and will continue to learn.

Science does not disprove God and continues to study the world he created. You can't possibly give me an example that points to anything other than a creator and you can't convince me that a material effect doesn't need an adequate cause.

I gave my life to God 14 years ago and I will spend the rest of my life following Jesus as he is the way to the father.

You can put your faith in modern technology and will only get as far as it takes you and I continue to put my faith in the reason I'm here talking to you today.

You and I are having the same exact conversation as yesterday and repeating things we've already said so I'm curious, what exactly are you looking for?

you cant see for chit can you. in short yes. thats whats astounding about the whole load of chit thats 'atheism
see second example, haeckels embryo drawings

1. Charles Darwin and the theory of 'evolution- gets a pass because he didnt call it fact
2.haeckels embryo drawings- 1874- early detected fraud- mass reprinted in textbooks as "proof" for 'evolution. 'atheists "the super logic minds" never did chit to challenge this. when do 'atheists actually become "scientific" as opposed to just "agenda" based liars
3rd piltdown man 1912- 'atheists hold themselves on high claiming to be the greatest critical thinkers that ever graced the world- longest running fraud in the history of modern science. the real mystery is how these clowns ever became the face of modern science?
4th nebraska man 1922- a master work of 'atheist imagination figuring out stuff........
5th whale evolution. incomplete fossils are the best kind of fossils. in fact the worse condition a fossil is in the better it proves 'evolution for some reason? as we will see more of this 'atheist magic in later posts
6th junk DNA should of been the end of atheism. but imaginations and delusions are not defeated by things like facts
7. Harlen Bretz- dont bring science we dont like.
8.Australopithecus afarensis aka lucy "missing link" APE fossil with no hands, feet or face. gets reconstructed with human hands, human feet and face of choice. then its called "proof" of evolution.

that the 'atheist community never called any of this abuse of science out is just more proof what a failure the whole of 'atheism is..........

'atheism and their claims of "critical thinking" is just a trash can full of chi