The logic is not that contrived, we were seeing Israel create a 'safe buffer zone' when Syria fell. Or the notorious 'Pre-emptive' strikes. These are projectiles after all, if the vector ends in Poland, they should knock em out of the sky over the transient space

No doubt raises the escalation bar, but given Polish history not surprised. They don't want to get eaten up and split between Germany and Russia again

This post was edited by RedFromWinter on Sep 29 2025 04:07pm

Imagine you live in Poland near Ukraine, and there is a Russian rocket targeting your city, flying via Ukraine towards Poland.
Would you like your government to shoot it down over Ukraine, or let it hit your city and possibly kill you, because you dont want to make Russians sad?

Realistically there should be something like 50km no fly zone surrounding NATO. And NATO might shoot down anything that flies there. It will still allow Russia to do whatever they do in 95% Ukraine, while securing NATO border from russian rockets/drones.

It was an Ukrainian rocket killing two Poles actually and you swallowed it.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_missile_explosion_in_Poland

completely agree! i would go one step further! lets make Ukraine a neutral state, the way it was before the US decided to take steps to bring it under the umbrella of Nato. that way the no fly zone would be all of ukraine. so a straight line from Poland to Russia would be a 1,190km distance no fly zone.

yay!

It doesnt matter.
If there is a rocket battle at NATO border, its possible that accident happen and defending rocket miss the target, malfunction and fly over the border. This is normal. What is not normal is 20 russian drones/Rockets crossing NATO border at one night.
Ukrainan Rockets crossing the border its one more reason to make some kind of buffer no-fly zone at NATO borders.
Because ukrainians wouldnt fire their defensive Rockets if there werent Russian rockets attacking them.

A question for you, is Belarus the neutral state that Ukraine should follow in their politics?

They usually fly as a swarm, not to mention all of them were decoys, plus Belarus warned you so there was no need to hit your own building, quite effective. We can go further, if Zelenskyy accepted Minsk 3 agreements there will be no war and no rockets therefore.

Some extra:
https://web.archive.org/web/20030210182602/http://www.nato.int/docu/basictxt/b021122a.htm

This post was edited by Norlander on Oct 1 2025 04:27am

So why did Russia sent a full swarm of drones into NATO territory?
We dont know how many were decoys, this is classified information.
As a defender you dont know which drones carry heavy bombs, and which ones dont.
If we see bomb is gonna hit some cornfields, its usually better to let them hit.
But if they target cities, you should strike them.
That's how our soldiers do

Those shown in the photo were decoys. This can be understood just by looking at how they are assembled: styrofoam and reinforced tape. Belarus warned about the drones that had gone off course, otherwise you wouldn't have managed to shoot down anything at all. In principle, you can shoot them down, then whatever was used to shoot them down will be shot down in response, and so on.

sometimes i can be very annoying, i am trying to evoke a response. however this is NOT what i am doing here when i say:

I do not actually understand your question here. Are you asking me if Ukraine should be like Belarus, a...vassal state...to Russia. is that your question?

(you only have to answer yes, if yes, if no, can you clarify your question please).