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Sep 24 2025 04:48am
This video is very telling of how much the world leaders respect and NEED Trump and the US. It’s weird to see leaders all around the world respect this man more than his own citizens.

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x9r2zgq
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Sep 26 2025 12:44pm
Heavy fighting in Kupyansk in the north, city looks like it may fall soon as reportedly Russian forces are already in the middle of the city. Would be a notable crossroads town that if lost would allow Russia to gain more territory in Kharkiv.

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Sep 26 2025 03:51pm
So what stops Ukrainians from patching up Russians drones and sending them to NATO bases to trigger WW3?
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Sep 27 2025 02:02pm
So what stops Ukrainians from patching up Russians drones and sending them to NATO bases to trigger WW3?


Maybe the fact is that you risk losing all your support, and that Western intelligence isn’t blind or deaf.
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Sep 27 2025 02:12pm
So what stops Ukrainians from patching up Russians drones and sending them to NATO bases to trigger WW3?


The fact that Russian leadership and pundits have been predicting and forewarning about exactly that possibility, to cast doubt and defuse it even fi it does happen.
The Gleiwitz Incident worked because the Nazis wanted to invade and Hitler explicitly said that it didn't matter whether it was believable, because history would be written by the victors

Just yesterday the FM spokeswoman Maria Zakharova said on Telegram that the Kremlin has intelligence reports that Ukraine has already captured and repaired Russian UAVs and is fitting them with warheads for the purpose of attacking NATO transport hubs inside of Poland and Romania
https://x.com/RT_India_news/status/1971931077900947505
And the Ukrainians of course are denying such a plan, calling it a fictional product of non-existent sources and claiming that Russia is planning to carry out such attacks and then blame Ukraine, a false-false-flag accusation;
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"Such statements may be a sign of Russia preparing new provocations using drones in European countries with further attempts to blame Ukraine for this," the Center for Countering Disinformation added.
The Center also emphasizes that by spreading such disinformation, russia is trying to intimidate Europeans with a "Third World War", discredit Ukraine before its NATO partners, and absolve itself of responsibility for its own aggressive behavior.


The point of all this is: Welcome to 2025 where the entire discourse and reporting about the war at every level is shrouded in fog of war, purposeful disinformation from both sides combined with propaganda and total lack of credibility from anyone. There are things I know to be definitely true because they're either non-controversial and agreed by everyone, or because I've heard them from first-hand reports by people I know returning from Kiev and telling me what its really like on the ground (ex lots of swastikas everywhere and bombings every night)
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Sep 27 2025 04:52pm
Moldavia elections tomorrow.
Banning pro-Russia parties.

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Sep 28 2025 01:44am
The conflict in Ukraine has completely discredited the institution of public intellectual. The ones we hear from most are buffoons with no ethical or even political backbone.

Will a new generation be born out of it? The one that will be about fresh and valuable ideas, not about controlling narratives, audiences and financial feeders.

You can’t keep accumulating millions at the expense of people’s ignorance and misery that you help generate. You need to give something to society, sacrifice your status and income for the sake of truth, if you want to be remembered kindly or at all.
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Sep 28 2025 06:41pm
I don't agree nor disagree with the analysis below but found it interesting. IF and this is a big if, these drones are Russian, this marks a pretty significant shift, one in which Russia goes from being on the defensive in its larger standoff with NATO to being on the offensive. If Russia is emboldened to do this type of recon it's pretty obvious they are comfortable with how the war in Ukraine is shaping out.


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The drone incursions over Denmark, Norway, and Sweden are not random, nor are they the work of amateurs. The pattern of simultaneous flights over airports, air bases, and naval sites has all the hallmarks of a professional actor deliberately probing NATO’s northern flank.

In the past week, Copenhagen announced the purchase of long range precision strike weapons, explicitly justified as a deterrent against Russia. Moscow responded with sharp rhetoric, even thinly veiled nuclear threats. Days later, drones began appearing over Denmark’s busiest airports and its largest military base at Karup, which houses the country’s helicopters, surveillance systems, and command functions. Targeting Karup is about testing Denmark’s ability to protect the hub of its military infrastructure at the very moment it is modernizing to counter Russia.

Norway, meanwhile, is home to NATO’s forward deployed F-35 fleet at Orland air base. That base sits near key North Sea energy routes and Arctic transit corridors, areas where Russia has long sought leverage. By flying drones there, Moscow gains two things: intelligence on Norway’s detection and response capabilities, and a signal that even NATO’s most advanced fighters sit under a vulnerable umbrella.

Sweden is another crucial piece of this puzzle. Drone sightings over the Karlskrona archipelago placed them within striking distance of the Swedish Navy’s main Baltic base. Sweden, fresh to NATO membership, has been one of the alliance’s strongest voices on Russia. Probing Karlskrona serves a dual purpose, it reminds Stockholm that its entry comes with exposure, and it tests how NATO integrates a new member under active pressure .

What makes drones powerful here is not their payload, but their ambiguity. They don’t need to strike a target. They create disruption, grounded flights, jittery civilians, and confused air defense operators and they do so cheaply. Each drone forces militaries to expend far more costly resources to respond. They also serve as reconnaissance, recording radar signatures and response times. Every scramble and radar lock is data fed back into adversary analysis.

There’s also the psychological dimension. Denmark, Norway, and Sweden are among Ukraine’s staunchest backers, both politically and militarily. By targeting their populations with visible disruptions, Russia may be attempting to sow doubt, if your government cannot even protect your airports from buzzing drones, how credible is its security guarantee in a larger conflict? This is the essence of hybrid warfare, eroding willpower without firing a shot.

We’ve seen this before. In the run up to Georgia in 2008 and Crimea in 2014, Moscow used cyber intrusions, little green men, and ambiguous provocations to blur red lines. By normalizing the abnormal, making constant harassment part of daily life, Russia shifts the threshold of what the West accepts. If drone flights over airports and military sites become routine background noise, the stage is set for larger, riskier escalations to be tested.

While attribution remains unconfirmed, the strategic logic points clearly to Moscow. And specifically these areas because Denmark, Norway, and Sweden form the northern hinge of NATO’s defense posture: the Baltic gateway, the Arctic transit corridor, and the energy arteries of the North Sea. Undermining confidence there is about shaking faith in NATO’s deterrent at its geographical edge, probing how much disruption Europe will absorb before its unity fractures.


https://x.com/onechancefreedm/status/1972454194818035736

This post was edited by ofthevoid on Sep 28 2025 06:45pm
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Sep 28 2025 08:42pm
I don't agree nor disagree with the analysis below but found it interesting. IF and this is a big if, these drones are Russian, this marks a pretty significant shift, one in which Russia goes from being on the defensive in its larger standoff with NATO to being on the offensive. If Russia is emboldened to do this type of recon it's pretty obvious they are comfortable with how the war in Ukraine is shaping out.




https://x.com/onechancefreedm/status/1972454194818035736



Hard to trust Ukraine and Zelensky when they previously failed to deceive NATO in regards to the Ukrainian missile which struck a Polish farm. Let's not pretend Ukraine and Z didn't push for article 4/5 intervention.

Regardless, Poland issued a recall of its citizens from Belarus. They need shoot all the Russian/Ukrainian garbage out of their sky else looking weak.

This post was edited by RedFromWinter on Sep 28 2025 08:43pm
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Sep 29 2025 02:34pm
Hard to trust Ukraine and Zelensky when they previously failed to deceive NATO in regards to the Ukrainian missile which struck a Polish farm. Let's not pretend Ukraine and Z didn't push for article 4/5 intervention.

Regardless, Poland issued a recall of its citizens from Belarus. They need shoot all the Russian/Ukrainian garbage out of their sky else looking weak.


The Poles want to start shooting stuff out of the sky over Ukraine but not be subject clapbacks. Pretty contrived logic though. I want to be party to the war but you're not allowed target me or Article 4 gymnastics.

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WARSAW – Poland is preparing to amend its law on military deployments abroad to allow its forces to shoot down Russian objects, such as drones, over Ukraine without prior NATO or EU approval.

The draft, submitted by the defence ministry in June, is expected to be fast-tracked, Gazeta Wyborcza reports.

The law originally let the president authorise deployments at the government’s request in cases such as armed conflict, peacekeeping, counterterrorism or evacuations. But in 2022 – a day before Russia’s full-scale invasion – the PiS government amended it to require approval from NATO, the EU and the foreign country where Polish forces would operate. The commission for investigating Russian influence later criticised the change, saying it stripped Warsaw of the right to act independently against drones crossing from Ukraine or Belarus.

The current ruling coalition plans to scrap those limits under a “shoot first, ask later” principle, giving the military more flexibility to respond to threats. According to Gazeta Wyborcza, the draft amendment, submitted by the defense ministry in June, is expected to be fast-tracked.


https://www.euractiv.com/news/poland-seeks-to-ditch-nato-eu-approval-to-down-objects-over-ukraine/
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