Well the answer to 'how powerful the Nazis in Ukraine are', is that they are the single most powerful group to exist once the government propped up by the west falls. They have the established politicians, the weapons, the numbers. They led the revolution and fought the front lines of the battle. The ultranationalists taking power when/if we abandon Ukraine is as inevitable as the Taliban and ISIS were.

Also its absurdly intellectually dishonest to make excuses for literal swastikas, SS tattoos, black suns and more by people who passed out copies of The Protocols of the Elders of Zion and Mein Kampf at their insurrection. Their politicians gave speeches declaring world jewry the enemy, they see themselves as a direct continuation of the grandfathers who massacred the jews in WW2 and when Azov got flown around europe for training in the west, they took selfies posing at Auschwitz with Hitler quotes on their clothes.

Right now today most shrill harpies of the democrat party would waste not a second to label you a Nazi if you said marriage is a sacred institution between a man and a woman. Like Obama did. But the guys who paint swastikas on their trucks, commit war crimes and worship adolf hitler? The guys who handed molotov cocktails to 12 year olds to fight the Russians 3 years ago? They need excuses? They need context? They need 'intellectual framing'?

Goomshill to this day still controversially declares that Nazis are bad and we should oppose them.

Sure, let's go bomb civilians and perform warcrimes based on that story.
The list of warcrimes of the russian army and the nazis is identical aside of concentration camps. Let's perform nazi crimes before an ultranational group gets the chance to do so, flawless logic. But as long as you carry a Z instead of a swatiska it's all fine, got it. (which have been found in the russian army too btw)

This post was edited by BaHgerAUT on Aug 20 2025 03:54am

NATO wasn't even interested in negotiations back in 2021 which is just their usual behavior

After the USSR dissolved NATO lied about "not expanding an inch East" and expanded round after round

NATO was never serious about the Minsk agreements and used them to buy time to arm Ukraine

TLDR you simply cannot trust NATO

Would you say that jacking off to Putin while being against LGBTQ rights is a conflict of interest?

Do you know what the fun part of being an American chauvinist is? already brought up my go-to example. I don't have to support your Hutus because you accuse the Tutsis of being bad guys. Its not a boolean choice, I don't have to support one side or the other. I care about how it impacts world geopolitics and American interests, but I really don't give a shit about the Ukrainians or Russians that much. Though I'd be a little miffed if it comes down to us needing to bomb Azov terrorist training camps 10-15 years from now because they're using the weapons we gave them to kill Americans, like every previous proxy conflict turned out.

Nazis commit war crimes, Russians commit war crimes, nobody is asking for my taxpayer dollars to go towards funding the Russian war machine and killing as many Ukrainians as possible and bombing Ukrainian infrastructure. And yet here we are with Lindsey Graham only able to get a boner at his age because of his wet dreams about suicide boats manufactured by northrup grunman being used to blow up the Kerch Bridge. When Azov posted a triumphant video of themselves using a drone to blow up some Russian medics evacuating the wounded, there is no mirror to that where Uncle Sam reaches a hand down my pants and shakes for loose change to give the Russians our drones too.

Not worth my time

Why are you lot talking about nazis as if everyone is dumb enough to believe the orcs actually care about nazis.

Even the most ardent orc sympathizer doesn't believe that bullshit and knows this is just about western expansion and a desire to relive the glory days of the Soviet union.

lol

FAFO

Were there any? I mean the glory days.

Russia 'actually' cares about Nazis to the extent that Nazis on their doorstep with an advance NATO base and armed with NATO weapons pose an existential threat to Russia.
Its simple calculus, if the result of the war is a Ukraine filled with fatalist ultranationalists but still equipped as a launching pad for attacks against Russia, there will predictably be a persistent cross-border threat to Russia and source of terrorism. Instead of Chechens taking hostages at a theater, it will be Azov Nazis flying drones into Crimea. And if NATO has extended its umbrella over Ukraine, whether with formal Article 5 or some presence as 'peacekeepers' with "5-like clauses"- How would Russia have to respond?

Russia would have a lot more palatable negotiating stance if the post-war could ensure a denazified Ukrainian government that crushes the Banderites and keeps the country more stable, keep moderate people in power who can rein in the extremists and stop them from provoking further war. And that also serves the interests of the west if we're honest about wanting long term peace. Our track record in propping up governments from proxy wars in shithole countries isn't great, and the Nazis are poised to fill any power vacuum. That means it requires indefinite EU support to prop up Ukraine.