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Jun 26 2025 11:14am
The Chinese if you know their history have a habit of submitting when necessary. How do you think they are willing to be governed by the Mongols and the Manchurians for a few hundred years each.
They went as far as wearing Pigtails when the Manchurians force them to, and the West always think Chinese means having a pigtail which is not exactly a Han culture.

China could also say they have been very tolerant to the West. It is a simple fact. And it is not just the Han Chinese.. And this I can personally attest to since I mix with the Japanese and the Koreans a lot.

The Han Chinese , Japanese and Koreans do not think they are inferior to the West. They don't really think much of the West to be honest, because they think for the past couple of hundred years, it is a historically anomaly that the West is powerful.

Long story short, like what ^Ferdia said and what I said a few years back, a WW3 situation will occurred unless the West is willing back off a little. If not we will definitely see it.

If I am to place a bet , on conventional battles, I will bet all my Forum Gold on the West and I believe 70 to 80% the West is going to beat the Chinese into a pulp.
However in a MAD situation, I will bet all my Forum Gold on the East.


The reality is that the West does not know how to back off. Backing off is seen as weakness. They have literally unlearned diplomacy and restraint. Look at what the Dutch, French and Germans are saying. There is no way they would have been saying any of these things 2 years ago, but they are saying them loud and clear now.

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Jun 26 2025 11:23am
If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, its a duck. those are criminals, undermining the war effort and should be properly prosecuted.



completely agree. The US adventure in Ukraine has to be the most monumentally stupidest decision ever made in US history. Joe Biden, the man who did everything to escalate the conflict.


not even close, imo.

both vietnam and korea are worse. both had massive american loss of life, same or worse cost to tax payers, and both ended with very little in return. at least in korea we secured half of the country as a western vassal, but it took 40 years of investment to get a return in the form of electronics that country China. at the same time we have to babysit with weapons and bases, so its a bit of a mixed bag. vietnam was just an abject failure, longish war with massive costs and veterans have had issues from that war since they returned home, and still do. and we got literally nothing for it. in fact its collapse and lack of rebuilding likely just made it fertile ground to become the chinese vassal state it is still today.

keep in mind this is in no way a defense of the ukranian debacle, its been a terrible disaster from 2014 up to now. but post war we still likely have a vassal state under our purview waiting for us. not that it was worth it.
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Jun 26 2025 11:29am
The reality is that the West does not know how to back off. Backing off is seen as weakness. They have literally unlearned diplomacy and restraint. Look at what the Dutch, French and Germans are saying. There is no way they would have been saying any of these things 2 years ago, but they are saying them loud and clear now.


The interesting thing is, during the Bi Polar competition between the Soviet Bloc and the West. Nixon and Kissinger literally prepared China as the Ukraine of the East in case shit happens.
And the Chinese are more than willing to abide to and the CCP is more than willing to dump a few hundred million lives to fight the Russians even though both are " Communist " countries.

The smart and pragmatic move is to maintain not only good relationship with the Russians and not move East and bring Russian into the system and control them and use the Russians against the Chinese after the fall of the Soviet Bloc.
This would have hampered and stagnate China's rise and choke them really hard.

The TPP would have added another choke point. You control the land routes you control the maritime routes, there is nothing the Chinese could have done.
The only way the Chinese could have done is to wait shit out and wait for liberalism to destroy itself internally and just act like some weak nation.

But no, the West just fast forwarded everything for the Chinese. :rofl:
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Jun 26 2025 11:30am
So it's engaging in war crimes because of TDS. This is why it looks awful and causes their government to lose all credibility. Its irrational personal hatred of one man.


JD Vance, Trump's most likely successor, is even more of an isolationist and even less willing to commit American resources to the defense of Europe. Remember the leaks from that Signal chat group before the US strikes against the Houthis? Vance was the one who urged that this move would relieve the pressure from the Europeans to increase their defense spending and thus contradict another goal of the administration, and proposed to delay the strikes. Hegseth and Mike Walz were the ones pushing forward.

Likewise, everyone kinda knows that neither the Americans nor the Europeans would really be willing to go to war against Russia over the Baltics.




Have you heard of self fulfilling prophecy?

The more EU and NATO try to push Russia into a corner whereby it can no longer defend itself. Putin might just do that.
It is a very simple concept.

There is a rather peculiar idiom in Mandarin.

"狗急跳墙"

https://www.chineselearning.com/chinese-story/a-desperate-dogs-leaps-the-wall-gou-ji-tiao-qiang


You can surely make this argument with regard to Western arms for Ukraine, but not for purely defensive weapons like land mines. As long as Russia actually has peaceful intentions and doesn't want to invade the Baltics, or Finland or Poland for that matter, those countries placing land mines on their own territory doesn't need to bother them.
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Jun 26 2025 11:35am
JD Vance, Trump's most likely successor, is even more of an isolationist and even less willing to commit American resources to the defense of Europe. Remember the leaks from that Signal chat group before the US strikes against the Houthis? Vance was the one who urged that this move would relieve the pressure from the Europeans to increase their defense spending and thus contradict another goal of the administration, and proposed to delay the strikes. Hegseth and Mike Walz were the ones pushing forward.

Likewise, everyone kinda knows that neither the Americans nor the Europeans would really be willing to go to war against Russia over the Baltics.






You can surely make this argument with regard to Western arms for Ukraine, but not for purely defensive weapons like land mines. As long as Russia actually has peaceful intentions and doesn't want to invade the Baltics, or Finland or Poland for that matter, those countries placing land mines on their own territory doesn't need to bother them.


I believe you are being convinced in a irrational manner into thinking the Russians are even planning to. But like I say, it is a self fulfilling prophecy by your NATO bloc.

Because you keep thinking they are going to do it, you are going to find means and ways to prevent it from happening at any cost.
Which is where you are at the moment. And if it does go further, I wouldn't doubt the Russians will take Poland , Finland and the Baltics as a final push to protect themselves.

And if that happens, you will just start saying " see we were right". :lol:

It's like shooting yourself in the foot and say see, it bleeds.

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Jun 26 2025 11:43am
JD Vance, Trump's most likely successor, is even more of an isolationist and even less willing to commit American resources to the defense of Europe. Remember the leaks from that Signal chat group before the US strikes against the Houthis? Vance was the one who urged that this move would relieve the pressure from the Europeans to increase their defense spending and thus contradict another goal of the administration, and proposed to delay the strikes. Hegseth and Mike Walz were the ones pushing forward.

Likewise, everyone kinda knows that neither the Americans nor the Europeans would really be willing to go to war against Russia over the Baltics.






You can surely make this argument with regard to Western arms for Ukraine, but not for purely defensive weapons like land mines. As long as Russia actually has peaceful intentions and doesn't want to invade the Baltics, or Finland or Poland for that matter, those countries placing land mines on their own territory doesn't need to bother them.


Asking them (rightfully) to stop being delinquents and pay their dues is not equal to complete abandonment. This is ridiculous and unhinged, dare I say histrionic and woman-like, rhetoric. Not just rhetoric but actions - this hysteria about paying your dues justifies engaging in war crimes? Land mines? This is demonic and what happens when you put women in charge I guess

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Jun 26 2025 11:49am
Asking them (rightfully) to stop being delinquents and pay their dues is not equal to complete abandonment. This is ridiculous and unhinged, dare I say histrionic and woman-like, rhetoric. Not just rhetoric but actions - this hysteria about paying your dues justifies engaging in war crimes? Land mines? This is demonic and what happens when you put women in charge I guess


I think the new blonde EU chick is kinda hot though. B)
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Jun 26 2025 11:50am
I think the new blonde EU chick is kinda hot though. B)


You mean Kaja Kallas aka mommy? I'd let her be my sugar momma for free

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Jun 26 2025 11:53am
You mean Kaja Kallas aka mommy? I'd let her be my sugar momma for free


Yah she is kinda hot ya don't you think ? ^_^

A little old now, but I think she looks pretty good when she is younger.
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Jun 26 2025 11:57am
Yah she is kinda hot ya don't you think ? ^_^

A little old now, but I think she looks pretty good when she is younger.


Oh yeah she's beautiful, a great Estonian beauty, aging very well. She's very much my type.

It's a tragic waste for her to be girlbossing instead of wearing sundresses and frolicking around
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