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Jun 1 2025 10:50am
Idk typically when I’m trying to make up with my wife or w.e. I don’t precede that with a punch in the mouth, usually it’s ’let’s talk about it’

When making peace, we tend to see deescalation not the opposite.


That's an analogy which just doesn't work for a myriad of reasons. You and your wife love each other (I guess?!) and are generally on good terms. I would also assume that you haven't had disputes which escalated into massive violence...

Maybe the analogy works along the following lines: Girl is in an unhappy marriage with a violent drunkard who beats her regularly. She's an uppity little bitch, though, and has always thought she could do better and never truly respected her husband. At some point, she starts aggressively flirting with some other dude, so her husband beats her into the hospital. She files for divorce, her husband rejects and threatens to beat her up even worse. At this point, her new guy steps in and punches her husband in the face so that he lets her go.

Idk, still a bad analogy, w/e....



Lol these are the terms for peace from Ukraine side:

https://x.com/visegrad24/status/1929194656786514186

Okay, those are hilarious and unserious demands. I'm not quite sure if these demands are intended as a maximalist starting position for negotiations, or as an outright "fuck off"-proposal. Still silly to think that going "okay, fine, we give up our demand for reparations, but as a quid pro quo for this massive concession, you will allow us to join NATO" would ever work. Giving up demands is only a meaningful compromise if the demands were remotely realistic. Kinda reminds me of this idea that Ukraine would take Kursk and then demand that Russia swaps it for the Ukrainian territories...

In any case, Ukraine is at the total mercy of the West. If they act up or reject a reasonable compromise, we have the tools to get them in line real quick. Finding the leverage to get Russia to settle for such a reasonable compromise is the much more difficult and tricky part.
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Jun 1 2025 11:12am
Thx for clarifying, i just copy pasted what that account said. Should of known better though, it's pro-Ukrainian and of course would omit asks that make the proposal even more ridiculous.



Yeah idk about 40, pro Ukrainian sources are spamming that figure but from visuals so far it's far fewer. Maybe we get more visuals confirming those numbers eventually.


Yeah no idea how trust worthy any estimates coming out of Ukraine is ... Most info all propaganda seems like.. They are very proud of their propaganda network lol..But seems like they did do some damage this time to Russia's bombers ...

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Jun 1 2025 11:19am
It's fair game for Ukraine to hit military targets that are used to kill their civilians on a daily basis
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It's fair game for Ukraine to hit military targets that are used to kill their civilians on a daily basis


no one saying it not fair game..The issue is using nato's arms to do it ..Would be more like Nato is attacking Russia...WW3 ...Even though it already a proxy war..
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Jun 1 2025 11:33am
really scratching my chin as to what the response is. i mean an attack on kyiv similar to what we have seen, appears, tame? really struggling to see what he tit for tat will be here.
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Jun 1 2025 11:34am
really scratching my chin as to what the response is. i mean an attack on kyiv similar to what we have seen, appears, tame? really struggling to see what he tit for tat will be here.


Accidental Tactical Nuke

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Jun 1 2025 11:35am
no one saying it not fair game..The issue is using nato's arms to do it ..Would be more like Nato is attacking Russia...WW3 ...Even though it already a proxy war..


We help Ukraine. China and North Korea help Russia. That's just how it has always been.
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We help Ukraine. China and North Korea help Russia. That's just how it has always been.


Technically wrong.

China sells a lot of Drone parts to Ukraine.

China gives money to USA and sell certain essentials to Ukraine, USA gives money to Ukraine to fight Russia, while China / India is supporting Russia by the side to bypass sanctions and buying Russia Raw materials, oil and gas to allow the war to continue.
On the side EU is still buying oil and gas from Russia.
North Korea is helping Russia in return for weapons tech and oil. And North Korea is also helping Russia because they are having problems with the Chinese, they need big brother to come in to negotiate shit if there are tensions with China.

It's a game played by all the major boys in the world.

Just like Pakistan and India war.

Russia supports India with Weapons, French sell Rafales to India. China provide J 10Cs to Pakistan and other weapons.
USA provide intelligence to Pakistan and let's not forget all the "Terrorist Cells" that USA / UK created using Pakistan to destabilize the region as and when they please and when they see deem fit.

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Jun 1 2025 01:41pm
It's fair game for Ukraine to hit military targets that are used to kill their civilians on a daily basis


Well what is the rule of 'fair game'? What do the rules of war say about commandos dressing up as civilians to carry out attacks deep inside another country?
The line between terrorism and warfare is blurred to the point of being undefined here, but I don't think the 'rules' ever mattered. In realpolitik its about what can be done and what will be done.

Can Russia afford to just shrug off these kinds of losses and carry on a conventional war in the face of an event that I think is only paralleled by 9/11, Pearl Harbor and the October 7th attacks? This was a widespread coordinated bombing by infiltrators disguised as commercial shipping, using smuggled drones. And it appears to have knocked out perhaps 10%+ of the entire Russian airforce in one swoop, maybe billions in damages. There comes a point where Russia has to escalate in response, and I'm not sure if this is that point.

Russia might decide its fair game to drop a tactical nuclear weapon on western Ukraine. If it was ever going to happen, its probably now.
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