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Mar 26 2025 07:30pm
Thing is that things are often not white and black. They are often various shades of grey.
So its possible that some civilians were killed in Donetsk, due to inprecise weapons, but does it mean that UA were bombing eastern Ukraine? Imo not.
Why these people live on the frontline, why cant them retreat?
Russians kept them on the frontline?
You said that Donetsk bombing took 8 years? Can you provide link to proof jt?


Who are you fooling, everything to do with Russia is Black and White to you in your posts.
The most deluded reasoning I have seen on this board comes from you with regard to this topic.
Were all trying to move on with our lives, but you want our governments to move heaven and earth to defeat Russia in what is more or less a domestic conflict.
You don't believe the eastern half of Ukraine has political jurisdiction for self determination to begin with.
Yet you incessantly state how evil Russia is because of your own countries past exercising its own political rights to become an independent communist country.
We've hashed over how your country did everything possible since it was re-founded after ww1, to have communist governance.
Explain the butthurt belter mindset in Poland.
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Mar 26 2025 07:42pm
What part of;
>All I need to deconstruct this story is to simply present the arguments made by both sides in the conflict. Here, verbatim, are the accounts from the CBC and Russia Today:
did you not get
If I want to quote the biased Russian side of the argument I quote RT, if I want to quote the biased western side of the argument I cite pretty much any western news source


And again, these arguments are so transparent that the western one falls apart prima facie. Russia isn't out there kidnapping children for no damn reason except to be evil, the world isn't made up of glorified exemplars of pure light fighting against wicked satanic orcs who commit evil for its own sake. The russians explain that they remove children from an active war zone because its the humanitarian thing to do, place them in temporary custodianship with access to education and healthcare, and then cooperate with international agencies to try to reunite them with families even if they are back in the country Russia is at war with. The Ukrainian counteargument is that Russia is kidnapping children at gunpoint, that they are brainwashing them with propaganda and forcefully adopting them and its only thanks to heroic rescue efforts by the west that any have been returned.

like shit even north korean propaganda at least tries to do better than just reframe everything as if we're the goodies you're the baddies. It would be like if a rocket launch failed and the DPRK put out a press statement saying it only got knocked down because it collided with the colossal sky dick of kim jong un's immortal majesty. There's no argument here, the Russians have explained what they are doing and the Ukrainians are just pumping pure unadulterated vapid propaganda that doesn't withstand even an ounce of logical scrutiny


This is about as believable as the Chinese reeducation camp for ughyrs. You seriously believe the bolded?
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Mar 26 2025 08:17pm
This is about as believable as the Chinese reeducation camp for ughyrs. You seriously believe the bolded?


Yes it’s actually very believable. Most of southeast Ukraine has been historically been very pro Russian, always voted that way, had the highest population of ethnic Russians, etc. The region was actually part of the Russian empire for a long time prior to being signed off by decree to Ukraine during the Ussr when the internal borders were irrelevant.

So what’s actually more believable, Russian soldiers behaving humanely to Russian friendlies/russian ethnic children, taking them away from active war zones or that they’d be dragging them away in some cartoonish villain framing? For what reasons exactly?

Like this is why it’s so hard to take some of these takes seriously. You don’t even know the basics of the region, who these people are, what their ideology is, you’re just a reflection of typical MSM slop.

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This is about as believable as the Chinese reeducation camp for ughyrs. You seriously believe the bolded?


Lets walk through this slowly. What do you think is the motivation for Russia to remove children from active war zones? What do you think is their alternative?

is it:
1) They want to carry them away and feast upon succulent man-flesh
2) They want to have the basic human decency to save innocent lives
and the options of
1) Remove children from war zones and bring them to somewhere safe
2) Leave children to get blown up, or starve/dehydrate
actually since the other side of this conflict is nazis I think I need to list
3) Arm the children with molotovs and tell them to dive under enemy tanks
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Mar 27 2025 05:51am
I'm not making counter argument. Hell I'd agree that there are some nazis in Ukraine. I mentioned this in 2014. What i don't buy into is dumb orc ropaganda that this war is about the denazification of Ukraine.

Orc is a perfect moniker for russians engaged in the savagery and barbarism on display in Ukraine.

I'm aware you see Russia as the victim that couldn't help themselves from invading a sovereign country and committing mass murder and engaging in acts of genocide for ukraines refusal to become a vassal state like Belarus.

Why are you living in the EU if you support authoritarian shit holes like Russia?


western society is a better place to live, more wealth, more freedoms. I dont support Russia, I support WW3 not happening.
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Mar 27 2025 06:24am
WWIII deserves it's own topic :)
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Mar 27 2025 07:08am
I dont support Russia, I support WW3 not happening.

Russia is abusing Western fears of WW3 to gain leverage, though.

The big conundrum is how to accomplish deterrence without triggering a runaway escalation spiral against a country that you can't credibly threaten with war because it's sitting on thousands of nukes.

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Mar 27 2025 07:13am
Russia is abusing Western fears of WW3 to gain leverage, though.

The big conundrum is how to accomplish deterrence without triggering a runaway escalation spiral against a country that you can't credibly threaten with war because it's sitting on thousands of nukes.


Abusing is probably the wrong word. Russia is a big rat in a corner telling the Western cat to back off and the cat is having none of it. To the Rat, the Cat is the monster. its more correct to say that the West is scaring Russia. Obviously you have to ignore Ukraine in this analogy (i.e. ukrainian hopes and dreams are not relevant, Russia only cares about protecting itself).

look we dont need to go round and round on this, you have your position i get it.

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:rofl:

someone was bitching about 3 dead orc "correspondents" earlier, but maybe someone should tell all these correspondents that wearing full camo and z swastikas is bad for their health/legs.

This post was edited by Fnall on Mar 27 2025 11:50am
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Mar 27 2025 12:05pm
https://i.gyazo.com/b7c50899b2964f480f2e279320808a92.png

:rofl:

someone was bitching about 3 dead orc "correspondents" earlier, but maybe someone should tell all these correspondents that wearing full camo and z swastikas is bad for their health/legs.


damn. RIP qt
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