note he didnt reply to my facts. ever deflecting when he is faced with facts. well, that and insulting people.

Thing is that things are often not white and black. They are often various shades of grey.
So its possible that some civilians were killed in Donetsk, due to inprecise weapons, but does it mean that UA were bombing eastern Ukraine? Imo not.
Why these people live on the frontline, why cant them retreat?
Russians kept them on the frontline?
You said that Donetsk bombing took 8 years? Can you provide link to proof jt?

??? you first said :

Eastern Ukraine wasnt bombed by Ukraine, this is fake Russia news.

and now you say:

Thing is that things are often not white and black. They are often various shades of grey.

you want a link? here you go : https://www.kyivpost.com/post/7169?utm_source=chatgpt.com

you cant just change your position without acknowledging your error. seriously. concede the point that you are simply wrong. stop deflecting.

and more for you: https://news.un.org/en/story/2016/07/534392?utm_source=chatgpt.com
and https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2015/02/ukraine-horror-civilian-bloodshed-indiscriminate-attacks/?utm_source=chatgpt.com
and finally https://news.un.org/en/story/2015/09/517652?utm_source=chatgpt.com

all of this was on MSM news at the time, albeit only footnotes BECAUSE NO ONE CARED.

This post was edited by ferdia on Mar 26 2025 10:37am

Are you seriously using RT as a credible news source and making claims that Putin has humanitarian motives?

Ownage

I mulled over this earlier.

Calling Russian's Orc's has been a way for Ukraine, and elements in the western block, to dehumanize Russians. This could be seen as a counter argument against Russian claims that Ukraine has Nazi's in its ranks / populace. The only glaring issue here is that western media has extensively provided historical evidence that Ukraine does indeed have far right, nazi elements, which have been documented at length historically in this thread, while Orc's are in fact not in Russia, they are in Lord of the Rings. Its Ironic that you say Orc as it seems to me that it adds more credence to the fact that Ukraine has Nazi's. It is normal for people to deflect and project. Its sad really that while the Russian slur relates to moral condemnation, the Ukrainian slur is closer to Israeli's slur of dehumanization - only then can they say its OK to do ANYTHING.

yes im being harsh but you have been using the word for months so well what can I do. A better point would be to call Russian's Nazi's or barbaric, or cruel or almost anything, but drawing on fantasy to call them Orc's is just...well there is only one word to describe that.

This post was edited by ferdia on Mar 26 2025 04:04pm

I'm not making counter argument. Hell I'd agree that there are some nazis in Ukraine. I mentioned this in 2014. What i don't buy into is dumb orc ropaganda that this war is about the denazification of Ukraine.

Orc is a perfect moniker for russians engaged in the savagery and barbarism on display in Ukraine.

I'm aware you see Russia as the victim that couldn't help themselves from invading a sovereign country and committing mass murder and engaging in acts of genocide for ukraines refusal to become a vassal state like Belarus.

Why are you living in the EU if you support authoritarian shit holes like Russia?

And the word is idiocy

What part of;
>All I need to deconstruct this story is to simply present the arguments made by both sides in the conflict. Here, verbatim, are the accounts from the CBC and Russia Today:
did you not get
If I want to quote the biased Russian side of the argument I quote RT, if I want to quote the biased western side of the argument I cite pretty much any western news source


And again, these arguments are so transparent that the western one falls apart prima facie. Russia isn't out there kidnapping children for no damn reason except to be evil, the world isn't made up of glorified exemplars of pure light fighting against wicked satanic orcs who commit evil for its own sake. The russians explain that they remove children from an active war zone because its the humanitarian thing to do, place them in temporary custodianship with access to education and healthcare, and then cooperate with international agencies to try to reunite them with families even if they are back in the country Russia is at war with. The Ukrainian counteargument is that Russia is kidnapping children at gunpoint, that they are brainwashing them with propaganda and forcefully adopting them and its only thanks to heroic rescue efforts by the west that any have been returned.

like shit even north korean propaganda at least tries to do better than just reframe everything as if we're the goodies you're the baddies. It would be like if a rocket launch failed and the DPRK put out a press statement saying it only got knocked down because it collided with the colossal sky dick of kim jong un's immortal majesty. There's no argument here, the Russians have explained what they are doing and the Ukrainians are just pumping pure unadulterated vapid propaganda that doesn't withstand even an ounce of logical scrutiny

This post was edited by Goomshill on Mar 26 2025 07:12pm

Bold of you to assume he can get anything