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1) Eastern Ukraine wasnt bombed by Ukraine, this is fake Russia news.
2) nobody wants WW3, the best way to prevent it is to assist Ukraine defend themselves, so that Russia doesnt grow into empire and dont start WW3.
3) USSR bankrupted around year 1990, after that some nice people tried to reform Russia, so that Russia was nicer than usual for a while. They were simply in a chaos for a while.
4) Russia changes its mind and that's the problem. Some time ago they said its fine for Ukraine to go their way, even join NATO.
5) you live on an island but still in Europe, you know the people, the politics here. You probably travelled to continental Europe also, probably have friends on the continent. Can you REALLY imagine european countries would ever attack Russia and Russia is in danger of invasion? Stop joking pls, Europeans only care about making money, having a luxurious life. We even rely on Americans to defend us, lol.
NATO was made to defend against Russia, because no solo european country stands a chance against Russia so we had to unite as 1 military block.


https://www.hrw.org/news/2014/07/24/ukraine-unguided-rockets-killing-civilians

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2014/07/25/human-rights-watch-ukrainian-forces-are-rocketing-civilians/

While you're still wiping off my thick, sticky arguments, think about what in Europe is so valuable to Russia that it would survive the bombing or wouldn’t just flee/or get evacuated to the US.



This post was edited by Norlander on Mar 26 2025 03:46am
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Orcs kidnapping children
https://tvpworld.com/85797256/russia-abducting-ukrainian-children-to-forcibly-turn-them-into-russians-says-report
Russian President Vladimir Putin and the country’s commissioner for children are wanted by the International Criminal Court for systematically kidnapping Ukrainian minors, but they deny any wrongdoing, claiming that Moscow has only removed youths from warzones for their own safety.
However, the ISW says that human rights activists have found official documents dated February 18, 2022—just days before the Kremlin’s tanks rolled into Ukraine—that “laid out plans to remove Ukrainian children from orphanages in occupied Luhansk and Donetsk oblasts” under the guise of humanitarian acts.


This is one of those particularly dumb talking points that has been echoed endlessly since the war began
What exactly is Russia supposed to do with children in an active war zone? Those rescued from villages in the front lines got brought to Russian orphanages or put with foster families or otherwise given temporary protection. And agencies both in the west and in Russia helped locate living family members outside of the war zone, and Russia reunited those children with the families. And then western sources took a victory lap claiming they were repatriating kidnapped children, even though Russia was just actively attempting to reunite kids with families.

Think logically about the whole thing. Why would Russia give a shit? When you believe in dehumanizing propaganda that all Russians are orcs and they eat the flesh of babies sure you might think they are kidnapping them to make kiddy casserole. Back in reality, Putin has nothing to gain from orphaned kids, and a humanitarian and PR reason to rescue them.

All I need to deconstruct this story is to simply present the arguments made by both sides in the conflict. Here, verbatim, are the accounts from the CBC and Russia Today:

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Ukraine estimates Russia has taken 19,546 children from Ukraine since it invaded the country in February 2022, and only 1,243 have been returned home.
Kuleba suspects the full number of missing children could be more than a million over the last decade of conflict between the two countries.
These children, he says, are forcibly separated from their families and put in orphanages, foster homes or adopted into Russian families.
Others, he says, are sent to "re-education camps" where they are taught pro-Russian propaganda and are forbidden from speaking their native language.
"We call these death camps for Ukrainian identity," he said. "It's like ethnic cleansing for our kids."


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Russian authorities have regularly reported on the efforts undertaken to reunite displaced Ukrainian children with their families. Last month, Lvova-Belova announced that 17 children from 11 families had recently been reunited with relatives in Russia, while 95 more – with relatives in Ukraine and other countries under a Qatar-mediated agreement with Kiev reached last year.
She has repeatedly called Kiev’s claims of abductions a “systemic myth” and pledged to continue facilitating family reunifications. Russian officials have also stressed that displaced children are not adopted in Russia but placed under temporary guardianship or foster care until they can be returned to their families.


One of these is a logical and reasonable narrative, one of them is basically blood libel. One is for people who try to figure how the world actually works and what measures self-interested geopolitical actors take during times a war, the other reduces the conflict to bloodthirsty orcs against righteous heroes.
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https://www.hrw.org/news/2014/07/24/ukraine-unguided-rockets-killing-civilians

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2014/07/25/human-rights-watch-ukrainian-forces-are-rocketing-civilians/

While you're still wiping off my thick, sticky arguments, think about what in Europe is so valuable to Russia that it would survive the bombing or wouldn’t just flee/or get evacuated to the US.


Readed the article.
Ok so Russian forces camped in human dense areas, kind of like terrorists who use hostages, human shields to protect themselves from being shot.
Basically the Ukraine had two options: dont shoot at enemy, because civilians could be hurt, or shoot and risk some civilians hurt.
Not an easy choice to make.
If Russia didnt attack all of that would not have happened.
All blame on Russia, once Russia breaks all the rules you cant expect Ukraine to fight 100% compliant with civilian rights, that would be idiotic and would be a huge disadvantage.
I know some people wrote some Geneva conventions to protect civilians.
But bad people never respected them, so the good guys cant respect them either, because that would put them at huge disadvantage.
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Readed the article.
Ok so Russian forces camped in human dense areas, kind of like terrorists who use hostages, human shields to protect themselves from being shot.
Basically the Ukraine had two options: dont shoot at enemy, because civilians could be hurt, or shoot and risk some civilians hurt.
Not an easy choice to make.
If Russia didnt attack all of that would not have happened.
All blame on Russia, once Russia breaks all the rules you cant expect Ukraine to fight 100% compliant with civilian rights, that would be idiotic and would be a huge disadvantage.
I know some people wrote some Geneva conventions to protect civilians.
But bad people never respected them, so the good guys cant respect them either, because that would put them at huge disadvantage.


Great, so Ukrainian military are hiding in schools and kindergartens. They’re not functioning anyway since the start of the war, which, by your own words, justifies strikes on them. By the way, Russians recently destroyed an ammunition depot in a residential building, where a journalist reports numerous casualties amid multiple mine explosions and one unexploded one. Ukraine is a fascist state that doesn’t care about its own citizens, and it doesn’t even consider yours as human beings- given the chance, it would repeat the Volyn massacre. Not an easy choice for denazification.

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Great, so Ukrainian military are hiding in schools and kindergartens. They’re not functioning anyway since the start of the war, which, by your own words, justifies strikes on them. By the way, Russians recently destroyed an ammunition depot in a residential building, where a journalist reports numerous casualties amid multiple mine explosions and one unexploded one. Ukraine is a fascist state that doesn’t care about its own citizens, and it doesn’t even consider yours as human beings- given the chance, it would repeat the Volyn massacre. Not an easy choice for denazification.


Ukraine aint fascists, they had elections before the war.
Yes once the war starts a country needs to make some measures, like draft citizens, or halt elections. This is normal and doesnt make them fascists.
With Volyn things got wild 100 years ago, but now we have common enemy. One thing Stalin actually did properly was to split Poland and Ukraine, he kicked Poles outside of Ukraine and it was kinda good decision. Now the borders are fixed and we are over that phase where we both wanted beatifil Lviv.
And yes there will be tensions between PL and UA, for example polish farmers are scared because Ukraine soil best in Europe, but it doesnt change that having a common enemy, that wants to eat all of us, brings us closer together, so we can hopefully find some compromise for farming.

This post was edited by Ironfister on Mar 26 2025 07:32am
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Ukraine aint fascists, they had elections before the war.
Yes once the war starts a country needs to make some measures, like draft citizens, or halt elections. This is normal and doesnt make them fascists.
With Volyn things got wild 100 years ago, but now we have common enemy. One thing Stalin actually did properly was to split Poland and Ukraine, he kicked Poles outside of Ukraine and it was kinda good decision. Now the borders are fixed and we are over that phase where we both wanted beatifil Lviv.
And yes there will be tensions between PL and UA, for example polish farmers are scared because Ukraine soil best in Europe, but it doesnt change that having a common enemy, that wants to eat all of us, brings us closer together, so we can hopefully find some compromise for farming.


If Ukrainian military hides out in hospitals and schools, which is the unforgivable war crime of perfidy, their destruction in whole is warranted and justified.

If Ukraine keeps up these insane antics, war crimes and dehumanization, Russia will absolutely destroy them in whole and the word Ukraine will be wiped off the map
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Mar 26 2025 08:50am
1) Eastern Ukraine wasnt bombed by Ukraine, this is fake Russia news.
2) nobody wants WW3, the best way to prevent it is to assist Ukraine defend themselves, so that Russia doesnt grow into empire and dont start WW3.
3) USSR bankrupted around year 1990, after that some nice people tried to reform Russia, so that Russia was nicer than usual for a while. They were simply in a chaos for a while.
4) Russia changes its mind and that's the problem. Some time ago they said its fine for Ukraine to go their way, even join NATO.
5) you live on an island but still in Europe, you know the people, the politics here. You probably travelled to continental Europe also, probably have friends on the continent. Can you REALLY imagine european countries would ever attack Russia and Russia is in danger of invasion? Stop joking pls, Europeans only care about making money, having a luxurious life. We even rely on Americans to defend us, lol.
NATO was made to defend against Russia, because no solo european country stands a chance against Russia so we had to unite as 1 military block.


1. use google.

https://www.hrw.org/news/2014/10/20/ukraine-widespread-use-cluster-munitions?utm_source=chatgpt.com
https://www.hrw.org/video-photos/video/2014/10/20/ukraine-widespread-use-cluster-munitions?utm_source=chatgpt.com

should i even bother refuting 2-5 when your first point is WRONG? Do you know how easy it is for people to refute your statements with facts?

how can you have these statements and arguments without supporting them with facts !?

none of this is new, we posted this multiple times over the last two years. were you living under a rock 2014-2022? it was well documented across media, they didnt hide it. yes, they conveniently hide it now but its there to be discovered if you bothered.

This post was edited by ferdia on Mar 26 2025 09:11am
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Ukraine aint fascists, they had elections before the war.
Yes once the war starts a country needs to make some measures, like draft citizens, or halt elections. This is normal and doesnt make them fascists.
With Volyn things got wild 100 years ago, but now we have common enemy. One thing Stalin actually did properly was to split Poland and Ukraine, he kicked Poles outside of Ukraine and it was kinda good decision. Now the borders are fixed and we are over that phase where we both wanted beatifil Lviv.
And yes there will be tensions between PL and UA, for example polish farmers are scared because Ukraine soil best in Europe, but it doesnt change that having a common enemy, that wants to eat all of us, brings us closer together, so we can hopefully find some compromise for farming.


Polish people disagree with you
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Polish people disagree with you
https://i.imgur.com/qRxWB2V.jpeg


This is a photo from the football match, from the hooligans sector.
Very right wing.
Russia influences extremists movememts in Europe, both left and right wing. For Russia it doesnt matter if you are left or right, as long as you are extremist and make mess in your country they are fine with it, they will support you.
For Ukraine Bandera is their war hero, for Poland he was the guy who was very antipolish guy.
Its a controversial figure, but I guess Ukrainians dont have better war heroes so they need to worship the ones they had.
Pretty much like the Kings in Europe - we know they did terrible things, that often they were cruel, but we still name our streets after them. It doesnt mean we support their cruelty and everything they did, we simply want to remember the good parts about them.
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This is a photo from the football match, from the hooligans sector.
Very right wing.
Russia influences extremists movememts in Europe, both left and right wing. For Russia it doesnt matter if you are left or right, as long as you are extremist and make mess in your country they are fine with it, they will support you.
For Ukraine Bandera is their war hero, for Poland he was the guy who was very antipolish guy.
Its a controversial figure, but I guess Ukrainians dont have better war heroes so they need to worship the ones they had.
Pretty much like the Kings in Europe - we know they did terrible things, that often they were cruel, but we still name our streets after them. It doesnt mean we support their cruelty and everything they did, we simply want to remember the good parts about them.


How about if a German would worship Hitler?
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