Quote (ferdia @ Mar 4 2025 05:16am)

wtf did i just read ^PapaPsych

Quote (Norlander @ Mar 4 2025 11:23am)

Guys, something interesting is happening.

The thing is, in many Ukrainian groups today, where just yesterday people were calling for rallies in support of their beloved state and their beloved president, there is now wailing and crying.

The issue is that some Western European countries have warned people who are currently renewing their cards that this renewal will be the last one.

Whatever temporary protection status they are on, this is the last time they can renew it.

What are they supposed to do next?

Either find a job and get a work visa, which means that once you stop working, it's goodbye.

Or apply for refugee status.

And those people who, just yesterday, wrapped in flags, were shouting in the streets of Europe in support of their wonderful state, are now starting to apply en masse for refugee status.

Let me explain. Refugee status is granted either due to military actions when there is no possibility to find shelter within your own state- but such a possibility exists in Ukraine, as you know, because there are western regions, and Kyiv itself.

Or, generally, refugee status is granted due to persecution by your own country, by the authorities of your own state.

You won't be able to, as they do now, go back to harvest cucumbers or get dental treatment, and then return to live off the European taxpayer.

That won't work anymore, because when you seek asylum, you are seeking protection from your own state and its authorities.

Now think again: the same people who were jumping for this state just yesterday, literally yesterday, wrapped in flags and shouting "Glory to Zelenskyy," are now applying en masse for asylum, pretending that they are being persecuted by this state and by Zelenskyy himself.

How duplicitous, and yet what heroic descendants of the Cossacks.

Quote (WhiteSouned @ Mar 4 2025 05:15am)

If Europe decides that they want to buy from someone else, let’s say tomorrow, it’s not like the French industry can keep up with the demand. And even if they build more factories etc etc it’s not something which happens overnight.
The impact of Trump’s decision is immediate and should very much concern Ukraine and Europe.

Quote (thesnipa @ Mar 4 2025 07:16am)

true, business wont dry up immediately. but even losing something like 10% of orders year one, then 5% more each year following for a period is a serious issue for the sector. and the world btw. US producers wont stop making weapons, then we just start looking for new customers. we arm the saudis more, the israelis more, non-nato russian satellite nations, african nations, south americans, etc. This makes the world less safe overall.

Quote (WiziLiCe @ Mar 4 2025 01:32pm)

Then you sanction those companies until it's no longer profitable. You don't want to nip the cancer from the source, fine. But how do you suggest the US transitions from war centered economy? Increasing EU spending on US weapons just exacerbates the issue.

Quote (ferdia @ Mar 4 2025 07:38am)

ehmm news flash the EU has said it wants to spend 800billion on weapons. Trumps idea of not having troops on the ground is christmas for the US arms industry.

Quote (WiziLiCe @ Mar 4 2025 01:42pm)

Can you come up with any incentive for US arms industry to slow down?

Quote (thesnipa @ Mar 4 2025 03:16pm)

true, business wont dry up immediately. but even losing something like 10% of orders year one, then 5% more each year following for a period is a serious issue for the sector. and the world btw. US producers wont stop making weapons, then we just start looking for new customers. we arm the saudis more, the israelis more, non-nato russian satellite nations, african nations, south americans, etc. This makes the world less safe overall.

Quote (ferdia @ Mar 4 2025 07:49am)

If the US President moved away from trying to start wars abroad it would be a good incentive. less demand = less supply. imagine if he wanted to end the war in Ukraine, or defund organizations like USAID that are busy starting wars all over the planet. oh wait, he is doing that already. Go Donald.
Donald is no saint, just look at his funding of the Ethnic Cleansing in Israel, but he is a damn site better then Biden so far who was hell bent on starting WW3.