haha this is funny as hell ...

same with this 1

Meanwhile, in Russia, they even unblocked YouTube so that everyone could enjoy the humiliation of Zelenskyy. They will probably block it again later, before Putin's trip to America. It's going to be intense.

This post was edited by Norlander on Feb 28 2025 09:30pm

really ? so youtube is up for you guys now ?

Yep, at least for those who use Rostelecom or MTS.

This post was edited by Norlander on Feb 28 2025 09:48pm

They could not have started off more amiably and on track, and they had a tiny disagreement over whether US or EU helps more but that's not at all the schism that started when Trump harped on at least 3 times about how both Russian and Ukrainian parents were losing children and Zelensky had to butt in to say the Russians deserved it, then followed up to drill that point again instead of being conciliatory. He got on track by inflating Trump's ego at the end but it was the first warning shot. Both they remained pretty aligned even through the first few pointed journalist questions but once the meat of security deals got discussed, Zelensky got into a tirade about how Putin is evil and Ukrainians are glorious and Putin must pay all the costs and they will compromise on nothing. Trump goes on for 10 minutes in various questions about he's trying to stay in the middle and make a deal. "I'm not aligned with Putin I'm not aligned with anybody I'm aligned with the united states of america" and he finally calls out Zelensky for his hatred of Putin. "And I can tell you the other side isn't exactly in love with him either". It was clear they weren't in agreement but they were still grudgingly aligned.

I think up until JD Vance jumped into the blood moor to ambush with an offscreen telestomp zerk, it was salvageable for Zelensky. Vance didn't immediately go for the throat with his first remark but Zelensky walked right into Vance's overture for diplomacy by fully splitting open the wound from above. And then it was Vance who finally gave up the neutral and amiable conference and just started slamming Zelensky around the ring and jumping off the ropes. Zelensky had made it clear he wasn't going to sign onto actual diplomacy by that point, but would have kept up the niceties. And like Xisten says, Zelensky made it so much worse by arguing the point and saying the US would be the ones to suffer. Trump listens to Zelensky's fatalist ultranationalist spiel and probably thinks, "I don't like him, but I can work with him". He starts saying Americans will start dying and Trump finally wakes up and joins Vance's side. Trump forgot everything that was said up until that moment and had a guy in his face saying "No you!" and all the good will went out the window. That's when it went crazy and we saw the clips.

At the end of it all, whether Zelensky is a puppet or dancing with his own strings cut or seeking the EU masters, he represented a full partisan Ukrainian ultranationalist worldview. No compromise, no acknowledgment of his side's wrongs, Russia is to blame for everything, Ukraine is perfect, all the DPR / LPR / Crimea all belong to the west. Russians aren't humans and their lives don't matter, Russians commit war crimes and Ukrainians don't. He wouldn't budge even an inch, not even with his back against a wall here. Well, what happens to people who won't bend? And Trump didn't give one fucking shit. Trump put his cards on the table and said he doesn't care, that he represents American interests not Russian or Ukrainian, its not our fight.

But boy whether Vance brought the necessary fire to set alight whatever follows, damn did he come off as being a real asshole.

Zelenskyy exposed Trump and his lapdog for carrying Russia's water... the russian stooges were TRIGGERED beyond belief lmao





This post was edited by gnarjay on Feb 28 2025 09:49pm

Zelensky fell right into that and JD goaded him into showing why he is not a superior leader to Putin or Trump.

The problem Trump has is Putin is absolutely not nor will he ever be an ally to the US and any meetings or agreements made with him should be taken with a grain of salt.

Stand next to Ukraine enough to bring a ceasefire/peace agreement then wash your hands of it.

We definitely got a good look at the sticking point at play in the negotiations that led to this being a war in the first place

- Ukraine wants a guarantee of its security when the war ends so the fighting can't resume with them on the back foot again, and wants NATO troops in place so Russia can't attack without a direct conflict between nuclear powers
- Russia wants NATO out of its back yard and regards the post-Maidan government as NATO expansion by force, and are fighting a war specifically to stop the threat from materializing on their border

right before the conflict started, Macron and Putin had that phone call where Putin reiterated over and over how he was willing to accept the DPR/LPR returning to Ukraine with whatever nebulous degree of autonomy as long as NATO stayed out, but the western powers refused to budge even an inch and said they wouldn't negotiate on it. 3 years of a war later with Putin winning and we're left to that same deliberation. Ukraine could accept a peace deal at any time to staunch the bleeding but have no guarantee of their long term sovereignty and their only security against Russia would be Russia's word. And Putin isn't about to allow NATO to expand into Ukraine for a peace deal if it means forfeiting the entire point of the war in the first place, especially not when he's advancing.

When do people suing for peace on the losing side of a war ever get to dictate terms that would guarantee their military dominance? Zelensky's position isn't one of a losing party to a conflict, its the neoliberal world order's dogmatic position that does not tolerate compromise. If you want to know Russia can never threaten you again, you need to destroy Russia, you need to win a war. Ukraine lost this war. You crave surety from sauron and get none

The butthurt of NAFO shills incredibly delievers. Let the comments marinate- and you get 10 pages of concentrated pain overnight.

This picture indicates that in regards to Isreal we are in alignment. Maybe stop pushing the tranny paedo stuff and we can get something done.