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Feb 25 2025 12:56pm
I actually think it is to late. It will be next to impossible to displace those ties. This was something that should have been seriously addressed in like 2010, instead we were in Iraq and Afghanistan for some of the dumbest reasons known to man or outright lies. Current Ukraine involvement was also the work of some of these buffoons that started Iraq/Afghanistan.

Think what happens when trade reaches these levels between sovereigns. China could announce trade that can be settled in yuan with SA, putting a ton of pressure on the USD. If the dollar keeps appreciating and becoming more expensive, China can make things a lot 'easier' for these SA partners and setup Yuan Peso or Yuan Real bilateral swap lines making the dollar not needed. China could announce military ports in Brasil 'to protect sea trade' or whatever other reason. China could apply economic coercion to have its trade be prioritized in transit through Panama Canal (the canal has limited capacity). China could apply pressure on Mexico if they grow to be a big enough trading partner at expense of US potentially. I could think of dozens of these type of material risks. But none of our neocon friends care about this true threat, because tbh they aren't smart enough to critically think things true. They will eat the slop shoveled to them from CNN and BBC and be completely unaware of some of the things I've mentioned.


Geographic proximity makes it next to impossible for China to displace the US in Mexico/Canadian trade, and if the Panama canal were weaponized you'd see Panama given a dose of freedom. The US won't overtake China in South American trade simply because China needs the resources and the US doesn't. As for Chinese warships in Brazil, I think it's farfetched. By that point the US has collapsed or were in WW3.

Where the US is most at risk is in Asia/Oceania. The ability to exert power is inverse to the geographic distance. It's far easier for China to seize Taiwan, threaten Australia, and close American shipping than it is for the US to stop it. By default the US needs to possess an overwhelming material and technological advantage. It's why the US cannot allow Greenland to fall into Chinese hands, why US-Canadian integration must go forward, and why Japan is a country worth going to war for and Ukraine is not.
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Feb 25 2025 12:57pm
A full scale attack against a country with thousands of nukes, yeah, that sounds like a very realistic threat scenario.

You start like in Ukraine slowly destabilizing the border regions then going forward little by littlein all directions.
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Feb 25 2025 01:09pm
Dollars wasted means less money to be directed towards things we should be addressing. So ending waste, inclusive of retarded wars that have little value to us is a good first step to free up funds for better uses. Ukraine is a prime example. If Ukraine is of critical importance Canadian or European taxpayers should be filling in the funding gap, so go file a petition on change. or g for Canada to raise more debt to send to Ukraine maybe.

Second we should have much more influence over Central and South America, that includes Panama. That's why he talked about Panama recently and sent high level representatives. I expect more reforms and changes when it comes to our relationship with SA to happen over the next few years.

Canada won't be annexed, some people still take everything trump says literally without ability to parse out what's bombastic talk and what's actually likely to happen/


Trump tore up usmca that he pushed for himself you expect anyone in south America to be dumb enough to think the us will honour any agreements made down there?

The us has lost all credibility in dealing with other countries given that they'll reneg on deals they themselves made on a whim. America can't be trusted

Intelligent people thought the tarrif talks were too dumb to be real (you do have an econ degree iirc?) But sure enough they happened in his first term.

It's very unlikely Canada will be annexed but the damage to the alliance is done and this relationship is pretty much dead as Canada will need to extricate itself from over reliance on the us as millions of dumb people in large numbers can elect another moron at any time to create tough times in Canada.

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Geographic proximity makes it next to impossible for China to displace the US in Mexico/Canadian trade, and if the Panama canal were weaponized you'd see Panama given a dose of freedom. The US won't overtake China in South American trade simply because China needs the resources and the US doesn't. As for Chinese warships in Brazil, I think it's farfetched. By that point the US has collapsed or were in WW3.

Where the US is most at risk is in Asia/Oceania. The ability to exert power is inverse to the geographic distance. It's far easier for China to seize Taiwan, threaten Australia, and close American shipping than it is for the US to stop it. By default the US needs to possess an overwhelming material and technological advantage. It's why the US cannot allow Greenland to fall into Chinese hands, why US-Canadian integration must go forward, and why Japan is a country worth going to war for and Ukraine is not.


Economic leverage leads to other type of leverage, geopolitical and potentially even military. China needs a lot of commodities (food, feedstock, grain, meat, metals) etc. that they can import from SA, while simultaneously exporting cheap electronics, EV's, solar panels, and everything in between to SA. The military port was just an example, the real threat would be if all of this trade was going to be settled in Yuan rather than dollar. If that happens, that would be a gargantuan blow to the dollar, i don't think people understand that. It would also mean that those countries will start to 'listen' to those that have this leverage, possibly at detriment of our national interests. The point with China, is they can push us out because countries like Brasil find they are a better economic partner vs the US, god forbid same happens with Mexico. They don't even need to pick up arms or start wars, they can just offer better trade deals than we can, that's why i don't even know how we counter that.

But reality is, eastern Europe is not of critical importance to us. It was 50 years ago when the big bad beast was the USSR, not today. Pumping the Philippines or some other SE/East ally with defenses is way more critical than eastern Europe, like it's not even in the same ball park close. Yet here we are today the MSM screeching that we can't 'appease' dictators and we absolutely have to keep fighting in Ukraine. The longer this goes on the better for China, because it redirects valuable limited resources from where they need to go to basically waste, as if Russia is more than a regional power at this point in history.

tldr.


Literally nothing you posted here is of value or worth responding to. Like literally if i turn on CNN they will tell me the same how all of this is bad because we need to appease our allies. Don't upset the status quo, don't cut spending, don't stop the war in Ukraine, basically don't do anything that would change the unsustainable path the US is on.

I'm curious to hear original thoughts from you, how do we counter China? How do we reduce our deficit? Tell me what you think not what the TV has taught you to think.

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Economic leverage leads to other type of leverage, geopolitical and potentially even military. China needs a lot of commodities (food, feedstock, grain, meat, metals) etc. that they can import from SA, while simultaneously exporting cheap electronics, EV's, solar panels, and everything in between to SA. The military port was just an example, the real threat would be if all of this trade was going to be settled in Yuan rather than dollar. If that happens, that would be a gargantuan blow to the dollar, i don't think people understand that. It would also mean that those countries will start to 'listen' to those that have this leverage, possibly at detriment of our national interests. The point with China, is they can push us out because countries like Brasil find they are a better economic partner vs the US, god forbid same happens with Mexico. They don't even need to pick up arms or start wars, they can just offer better trade deals than we can, that's why i don't even know how we counter that.

But reality is, eastern Europe is not of critical importance to us. It was 50 years ago when the big bad beast was the USSR, not today. Pumping the Philippines or some other SE/East ally with defenses is way more critical than eastern Europe, like it's not even in the same ball park close. Yet here we are today the MSM screeching that we can't 'appease' dictators and we absolutely have to keep fighting in Ukraine. The longer this goes on the better for China, because it redirects valuable limited resources from where they need to go to basically waste, as if Russia is more than a regional power at this point in history.



Literally nothing you posted here is of value or worth responding to. Like literally if i turn on CNN they will tell me the same how all of this is bad because we need to appease our allies. Don't upset the status quo, don't cut spending, don't stop the war in Ukraine, basically don't do anything that would change the unsustainable path the US is on.

I'm curious to hear original thoughts from you, how do we counter China? How do we reduce our deficit? Tell me what you think not what the TV has taught you to think.


You are free to continue living your life in an echo chamber that forbids any thoughts critical of Trump's obvious failures on the world stage.

Have a good life.

Btw, Lol "we"

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You are free to continue living your life in an echo chamber that forbids any thoughts critical of Trump's obvious failures on the world stage.

Have a good life.

Btw, Lol "we"


Gtfo of our country
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Economic leverage leads to other type of leverage, geopolitical and potentially even military. China needs a lot of commodities (food, feedstock, grain, meat, metals) etc. that they can import from SA, while simultaneously exporting cheap electronics, EV's, solar panels, and everything in between to SA. The military port was just an example, the real threat would be if all of this trade was going to be settled in Yuan rather than dollar. If that happens, that would be a gargantuan blow to the dollar, i don't think people understand that. It would also mean that those countries will start to 'listen' to those that have this leverage, possibly at detriment of our national interests. The point with China, is they can push us out because countries like Brasil find they are a better economic partner vs the US, god forbid same happens with Mexico. They don't even need to pick up arms or start wars, they can just offer better trade deals than we can, that's why i don't even know how we counter that.

But reality is, eastern Europe is not of critical importance to us. It was 50 years ago when the big bad beast was the USSR, not today. Pumping the Philippines or some other SE/East ally with defenses is way more critical than eastern Europe, like it's not even in the same ball park close. Yet here we are today the MSM screeching that we can't 'appease' dictators and we absolutely have to keep fighting in Ukraine. The longer this goes on the better for China, because it redirects valuable limited resources from where they need to go to basically waste, as if Russia is more than a regional power at this point in history.



Literally nothing you posted here is of value or worth responding to. Like literally if i turn on CNN they will tell me the same how all of this is bad because we need to appease our allies. Don't upset the status quo, don't cut spending, don't stop the war in Ukraine, basically don't do anything that would change the unsustainable path the US is on.

I'm curious to hear original thoughts from you, how do we counter China? How do we reduce our deficit? Tell me what you think not what the TV has taught you to think.


Bold of you to assume he has original thoughts
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Gtfo of our country


Are you one of those guys in Alberta passing out 51st state merch?
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You are free to continue living your life in an echo chamber that forbids any thoughts critical of Trump's obvious failures on the world stage.

Have a good life.

Btw, Lol "we"


You can criticize Trump if you want, but maybe next time be a bit more original or at least have an opinion on other issues like the ones i brought up in regards to China. "Appeasing dictators"... heard that line only a dozen times in the last week or two. If i type it in google I'm sure to get a hit on dozens of MSM articles, literally using the same phraseology. When you use NPC phrasing you get treated like an NPC sry bro.

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You can criticize Trump if you want, but maybe next time be a bit more original or at least have an opinion on other issues like the ones i brought up in regards to China. "Appeasing dictators"... heard that line only a dozen times in the last week or two. If i type it in google I'm sure to get a hit on dozens of MSM articles, literally using the same phraseology. When you use NPC phrasing you get treated like an NPC sry bro.


But haven't the US throughout modern times been trying to appease so called Dictators or at least work with them since the end of WW2? :lol:

Let's see

The Middle East boys which end up producing all the Allahu Ackbars
Saddam
All those dudes in Central and South America
Pakistan

and more

:rofl:

Just saying. :baby:
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