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Feb 25 2025 02:40am
Anyway since we're three years into Russia's invasion and 11 years in since tha Maidan I'm going to ask the questions I've asked ever since Ukraine started existing in the western consciousness

Does anyone have a means to explain why western ukraine, after overthrowing a democracy, should be able to lay claim to the disenfranchised separatist regions of the east in the DPR/LPR/Crimea? Why are their independence and annexation referendums illegitimate but the post coup government supposed to be legitimate? What do any of the United States, Europe or Ukraine stand to gain by prolonging a losing war where we have not and will not invest the strength necessary to defeat Russia but only bleed both sides, to our strategic detriment in a multipolar world when China is the real competition?
Why are we sending heavy weapons to Nazi war criminals?
Why do democrats see Nazis in every hand gesture and written in their alphabet soup but not on the guys with swastika tattoos and passing out copies of mein kampf and protocols of the elders of zion?


Maybe if the Zelensky gets 98% of the vote like Putin.
Then that would be an acceptable mandate?

Since democracy is a high priority for you.

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Feb 25 2025 02:53am
If I want to conclude that all politicians lie (and therefore imply that it's okay that Trump and Putin lie every chance given) I just can't use my own expactations that everybody lies as reasoning, that's not how logic works.

I can find a lot of straight up verifiable lies by Trump and Putin - if you can't do that easily for Zelensky, their relation to the truth is clearly not the same.

Tldr (not for you personally but for jsp in general): stop spouting russian propaganda, Putin (and his buddy Trump) lie a lot. Look at independent sources, look at data, form your own opinion. if your opinion is based on your facebook feed, fox news shows that they themselves claim are lies or tirads from your racist uncle, put it in the trash.


Unfortunately you don’t have a luxury of living in a world were people don’t lie and you have to somehow include this in your calculations. You may get it right or wrong but if you assume nobody’s lying until proven otherwise you will always arrive at wrong conclusions.

Trying to trivialize my argument by pushing it to the extreme (“everybody’s always lying”) is kinda immature.

The myth of the Russian propaganda in social networks has been overblown. Not saying it doesn’t exist, but it was mostly a talking point for the democrats to discredit whatever opinion they didn’t like and to justify censorship. Which is especially funny after the whole USAID paid propaganda has been revealed recently :)

Zelensky is also lying, I don’t know which world do you live in if you don’t see this. The Ukrainian rocket that fell in Poland (and he insisted it was a Russian one, in an attempt to create a false flag and escalate war). Their whole country foundational myth is now based on a fake version of Bandera’s history. He doesn’t want to hold elections even though Ukrainian law doesn’t forbid it during the war. He somehow lost track of 100 billion dollars of US money. He wanted the aid to the Ukraine in the form of a loan and now he pretends like it was a gift. I mean… wake up! :bouncy:
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The myth of the Russian propaganda in social networks has been overblown. Not saying it doesn’t exist, but it was mostly a talking point for the democrats to discredit whatever opinion they didn’t like and to justify censorship. Which is especially funny after the whole USAID paid propaganda has been revealed recently :)


You need to be more concrete. What USAID paid propaganda (provide a concrete accusation and a source), why do you think the claims about russian propaganda have been "overblown"? I am not part of your right wing echo chamber so I don't know what you are talking about just by posting random buzzwords and claims, sorry.

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New Russian tactic to deal with its own soldiers who are refusing to carry out meatgrinder objectives and die willingly, tie them up like dogs to a tree and wait until Ukraine drone comes to collect their souls..

Its crazy what will happen once all the pardoned "New Elite according to Putun" pedophiles, rapists and convicts with screwed up psyche come back home to Russia.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://novayagazeta.eu/amp/articles/2025/01/14/convicted-italian-murderer-and-paedophile-caught-fighting-for-russia-in-ukraine-en-news&ved=2ahUKEwjq_qedwt6LAxW5CRAIHdzOLw4QyM8BKAB6BAgKEAE&usg=AOvVaw1EdVHNODxkqd0k_U2YIbrL

Looks like importing convicted pedophiles on the run is fine too.. Guess if he dies in Ukraine prison like sex-tourist turned terrorist Gonzalo Lira local pedophile lovers here will cry their eyes out.
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Feb 25 2025 03:50am
https://files.catbox.moe/4ltmyf.mp4

New Russian tactic to deal with its own soldiers who are refusing to carry out meatgrinder objectives and die willingly, tie them up like dogs to a tree and wait until Ukraine drone comes to collect their souls..

Its crazy what will happen once all the pardoned "New Elite according to Putun" pedophiles, rapists and convicts with screwed up psyche come back home to Russia.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://novayagazeta.eu/amp/articles/2025/01/14/convicted-italian-murderer-and-paedophile-caught-fighting-for-russia-in-ukraine-en-news&ved=2ahUKEwjq_qedwt6LAxW5CRAIHdzOLw4QyM8BKAB6BAgKEAE&usg=AOvVaw1EdVHNODxkqd0k_U2YIbrL

Looks like importing convicted pedophiles on the run is fine too.. Guess if he dies in Ukraine prison like sex-tourist turned terrorist Gonzalo Lira local pedophile lovers here will cry their eyes out.


Yeah maybe the EU can trickle in just enough for Ukraine to send more women to the front.
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Feb 25 2025 03:57am
You need to be more concrete. What USAID paid propaganda (provide a concrete accusation and a source), why do you think the claims about russian propaganda have been "overblown"? I am not part of your right wing echo chamber so I don't know what you are talking about just by posting random buzzwords and claims, sorry.

Sure, grab this. It’s a really good starter:


And for calling actual news a “right wing echo chamber” you also get this:
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Feb 25 2025 04:02am
Sure, grab this. It’s a really good starter:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPPc8OVNngg

And for calling actual news a “right wing echo chamber” you also get this:
https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/002/456/271/bc9.png


Did you just link Joe Rogan as a source? And then a meme, which just shows that you can't provide sources and thereforce portraying the person asking for a source as a neckbeard?

Also which actual news? You did not provide any sources, just vague claims I am apparently supposed to be able to identify.
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Feb 25 2025 04:38am
Did you just link Joe Rogan as a source? And then a meme, which just shows that you can't provide sources and thereforce portraying the person asking for a source as a neckbeard?

Also which actual news? You did not provide any sources, just vague claims I am apparently supposed to be able to identify.


Ah, right. I forgot that Joe Rogan has somehow become an alt-right extremist for the lefties :rofl:

Mike Benz gives specific examples in this interview. Which you would’ve known if you had listened to it, instead of defaulting on “Joe Rogan = bad” programming.

Also, sweetie, I have no obligation to provide you with a PhD level of source material and quotations. If you believe me, it’s fine. If you don’t believe me, it’s also fine :)

Other than that you can go on the internet and search for yourself or you can choose to remain willfully ignorant.

I’ll give you a hint: go to twitter and search for “Elon Musk USAID”. He’s been publishing documents he found since the beginning of the year. Which newspaper got how much money, what were the project names, what were their aims etc. Here’s just one example:

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1886143806476583310

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Feb 25 2025 04:42am
Ah, right. I forgot that Joe Rogan has somehow become an alt-right extremist for the lefties :rofl:

Mike Benz gives specific examples in this interview. Which you would’ve known if you had listened to it, instead of defaulting on “Joe Rogan = bad” programming.

Also, sweetie, I have no obligation to provide you with a PhD level of source material and quotations. If you believe me, it’s fine. If you don’t believe me, it’s also fine :)

Other than that you can go on the internet and search for yourself or you can choose to remain willfully ignorant.

I’ll give you a hint: go to twitter and search for “Elon Musk USAID”. He’s been publishing documents he found since the beginning of the year. Which newspaper got how much money, what were the project names, what were their aims etc. Here’s just one example:

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1886143806476583310


Remember when we were having fun in D2R discussion, and I told you guys, Lazybumi, you and all those other dudes? this place is full of brainwashed people ?
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