So in absence of USAID, there is no genuine, organic opposition to Putin, everyone is genuinely on board with Putinism and the course of the country? Come on, man!
Do you think Nawalny was a US asset?

Navalny was 100% and obviously a US asset

I'd say there is an extremely fringe minority of organic opposition to Putin. He has something like 90%+ approval rating to my knowledge. Putin isn't charging those people, he is charging people for being proven enemies of the state with evidence. USA charges and jails Russian agents too.

The thread is disproportionately informed compared to the general public. regardless of view, it cannot be denied that this eventuality (ukraine being ditched) was previously highlighted, noting the alternative, ww3, was never palatable.

This post was edited by ferdia on Feb 20 2025 01:40pm

Yea there was and there still is genuine opposition. You don’t hear about them because their reach is not magnified by USAID money.

Navalny started out as genuine Russian Nationalist, but became US asset around the time of his trip to Yale to study with another US asset Sergey Lagodinsky of German Greens. They were in the same class in Yale and spout the same pro-US blind nonsense at the expense of the interest of their home countries. Rhetoric of Navalny changed after Yale trip and he became propagandist instead of a real politician with a plan.

This post was edited by Malopox on Feb 20 2025 01:46pm

This thread is quickly becoming an echo chamber as everyone on the pro-war side disappeared or don’t bother posting here anymore.

ill try to post some pro-western narratives so.



alot of hypocrisy here, gotta have a bit of a giggle, reminded him of romania? reminds one of Ukraine, Georgia...

This post was edited by ferdia on Feb 20 2025 01:48pm

Please do.

because the aggressor here is Russia. (lets skip over the whole Predicted Russian - Ukrainian war in 2019 - Alexey Arestovich)

i.e. in 2019 ~ years prior to the war... -->>

Arestovych’s Statements: Ukraine Expected War

He acknowledged that Ukraine’s move toward NATO would inevitably trigger a Russian military response.
He described a scenario where Ukraine deliberately pushed toward NATO integration despite knowing it crossed Russia’s red line.
This aligns with other evidence suggesting that Ukraine was not simply a passive victim but was making strategic decisions that knowingly led to escalation.

This post was edited by ferdia on Feb 20 2025 01:53pm

sorry for the double post

- giving long range missiles to Ukraine - this is not an escalation.
- seeking peace - this will lead to ww3 <-- this is a narrative gaining traction.

I'm still trying to occasionally hold up the pro-Ukraine mantle somewhat (which btw is not the same as 'pro-war'), but a lot of the debates and squabbles over details would require more time, effort and energy than I can muster these days.
To name just one example: the degree to which China is supplying Russia with the goods it needs to keep the war going.


Volume of tractor imports to Russia in 2019: $1.38b
https://oec.world/en/profile/bilateral-product/tractors/reporter/rus?latestTrendsFlowSelector=flow0&yearExportSelector=exportYear5

2021: $1.59b
https://oec.world/en/profile/bilateral-product/tractors/reporter/rus?latestTrendsFlowSelector=flow0&yearExportSelector=exportYear3

2023: $3.92b (95% of which are now coming from China)
https://oec.world/en/profile/bilateral-product/tractors/reporter/rus?latestTrendsFlowSelector=flow0&yearExportSelector=exportYear1


Man, Russia's agricultural sector must be boooooming!!





So that's just an example from a debate I started and then abandoned with ofthevoid a couple of days ago. Simply don't have the time or motivation to dig deep like this all the time, just for the sake of debates in this thread.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Feb 20 2025 02:02pm