My man, go re-read what i said and then try reading your responses. You're giving me irrelevant explanations of our policy 70 years ago, I'm telling you we live in a different world where we need to pivot. We don't even fundamentally disagree what we need to do, but you're so caught up in your responses you don't even bother to read.

They went to America and the EU. Its self evident and plainly obvious.

Simply look at the past 33 years on who is writing in favour of hating white people and far leftism. Eastern European Jews. Look at the NYT and the Atlantic and WaPo.

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No. I'm telling you that a plan was instituted that has not stopped. It's still in play. Everything we've put Russia through is to plan, as though they are still the Soviet Union. And because they are NOT the USSR, we have driven them right into the arms of China.

I'm telling you that this was predictable, when we continued to support the plan after the fall of the USSR.

I'm telling you that I KNOW THAT CHINA IS OUR FUCKING ADVERSARY. But our fucking policy is to support and prop up China, and we haven't fucking stopped. Are we clear?

Please tell me you aren't stupid. We've always been able to speak clearly to each other before. Is what I'm communicating to you sifting in? Do you understand what I'm saying?

Zero countermeasures against China. None. We continue to build them up. Because we continue to follow a 70 fucking year old plan. When you brush aside the playbook we are still playing by, you remove all reality from your perspective.



You misunderstand. I want the US to withdraw, and allow Europe, Asia, Australia, and Africa to fix their own shit. We're a Trade Nation, not an Empire.

Recalculate China's position based upon that standpoint. A heavily armed trade nation that is willing to go to war if you fuck with our trade, but is otherwise happy to sell you everything from boner pills to F18's.

You're conflating a lot of different things. Our economy and China's economies are highly intertwined and it's difficult for us to unwind without hurting ourself, so from that aspect i agree we do continue to support their economic ascension. I also agree that the outsourcing manufacturing in the 80s 90s 00s also led to this.

We have been slowly taking steps to counter them though. Stopping access to high tech chips is one example. Forming all of these alliances in east and southeast Asia is another example. Shifting Russia from their sphere to our sphere would be another huge step to counter if it materializes, at the very least we should stop wasting hundreds of billions on a geopolitically irrelevant part of the globe (eastern Europe) and shift to southeast Asia. Reshoring/onshoring would also be beneficial to counter them. This is what I'm talking about, the now and the future, not what happened under Kissinger, not us propping up China to counter the soviets.

This is a difficult situation really. US can't really withdraw as much as they want to. They controlled too many trade routes from the Red sea all the way to straits of Malacca etc etc. This is all Money.
Losing influence and control in this regions will make nations who are close to you slowly withdraw and pivot elsewhere , it might be too much for some political heavy weights to cope. It is a pride issue.

And when that happens , your trade will be fucked nevertheless. Furthermore, the education system in the USA have been heavily screwed over since the UNI Polar moment aka the fall of the USSR.
You want 4 days week, don't want to work over time, STEM is crap, DEI programs nationwide and even in IVY leagues.

Public education is really terrible. Mass immigration ( Although Trump is fixing now) of migrants who are not actually that useful for society. Low Birth Rates in the white population ( This happens in countries like Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Hong Kong Singapore as well).
So I honestly do not know how you are going to fix it in a short term.

If Trump gets to sit in the Oval office, lets not talk about 20 years, even for another 8 to 10 year period you will see significant improvements. But who is going to come after him really? How many Rhinos are in his administration ( We really do not know).
The NeoCons and Liberal interventionist and the Establishment is so powerful that it takes someone with balls of steel to dismantle them completely. But can it be done ?

I am not sure what the solution is really. That being said , I am happy that all these DEI shit is being subjugated at the moment.
I remember seeing this quote from some dude on Asmongold's Video.


" As a gamer, I don't really care if the world burns. That being said, when you started coming for the kids, I lifted my head.
And when you started coming for our games, we all stood up."

My point is, whatever you do, don't come for our games and our kids and you can do whatever shit you want. If the world burns because of stupid polices, I guess it is what it is.

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We have taken zero steps. No access to high tech chips have stopped. The only major company that the US has control over, Intel, is still producing high tech chips in China. All their competitors contract with TSMC. TSMC has production IN CHINA. They are not only in Taiwan.

We have set up scenarios where we are pushing ourselves out of the market, and setting up a global monopoly. Do you understand what that means? TSMC is now proposing to buy Intel. Literally, that's in the news right this moment.

I'm gonna stop here. I have more to say, and was planning to respond to hamster, but you are so clueless as to what is going on in favor of China, against US interests, that you're propping up as wins is infuriating.

Actually in regards to TSMC, it is also partly due to America's position back in the late 70s. Producing Chips are actually extremely harmful to the environment and it is high cost, low pay for workers who are highly qualified. That's why they moved the production to Taiwan, South Korea and for a time to Japan.
That was a mistake. You should never allow your advance Technologies to be shipped over to other countries.

Making Nikes, Levi Jeans.... sure...

Chip workers were paid $65,000-$130,000 per year in the US in 2005. I don't know what you're talking about.

This is my field. You literally are claiming it was a low paid job when it was the most solid middle class industry in the nation.

I'm convinced you have a reading disability, because you're not processing what I'm saying. I'm glad you brought up TSMC. TSMC has already committed 60BN to build production in the US in Arizona(reshoring). Even if they buy Intel, again production for high end chips will be forced to be within the US. They are building in the US precisely because we want critical tech to be on our shores instead of within arms length reach of China if they ever decide to take over Taiwan. This is directly led by US interests to not have this type of critical infrastructure for us fall under umbrella of a geopolitical enemy. So how can you say nothing is being done?

There's an argument we aren't doing enough, i can agree to that but again i would say our economies are extremely codependent, but to say nothing is done is nonsensical.

low pay job in Taiwan as compared to the USA when it comes to wages. And they work longer hours and no complains.
I believe when they are moving TSMC to USA , they are also moving their techs and engineers over. You might have catch wind about this ?

Well, the TWD dollars have risen significantly, but if you were to compared then and now, when they moved their tech over and last maybe 10 years or so.
It is extremely profitable to do so.

You probably pay a Taiwanese engineer 40k USD as compared to whatever wages you are paying now in the US. Please note that I mentioned this, because it was at a time where TWD is much cheaper and it was at the height of production.

A Chinese engineer probably get paid 40 to 50K USD equivalent now , if they are making chips. Thats about 300K to 400K RMB per year with bonus maybe a little more at around 500k RMB. 500K RMB per year is huge in China.




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