Its amazing how an AI Bot can produce this but some ppl are still hung up on the idea that Putin woke up one morning after decades of peace and decided to expand the proverbial empire.

The U.S. supported Ukraine's integration into NATO and the EU as part of its strategy to counter Russian influence, viewing Ukraine as a strategic buffer state. This push for Western alignment heightened geopolitical tensions, contributing to the crisis that led to Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. The U.S. provided billions in financial aid to Ukraine, channeled through organizations like USAID and the National Endowment for Democracy (NED). These funds bolstered pro-Western NGOs and opposition groups, undermining the Yanukovych government and fueling the Euromaidan protests. This financial support played a direct role in destabilizing Ukraine’s political landscape. Victoria Nuland, then Assistant Secretary of State, actively engaged with Ukrainian opposition leaders during the protests. A leaked phone call with U.S. Ambassador Geoffrey Pyatt revealed her discussions on shaping a post-Yanukovych government, demonstrating the U.S.'s direct involvement in Ukraine’s internal affairs. The U.S. also funded independent media outlets like Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty (RFE/RL) to counter state-controlled news outlets. The US funded outlets amplified the Euromaidan narrative, framing Yanukovych’s government as corrupt and authoritarian, which mobilized domestic and international support for the protests. U.S. actions, including financial aid, diplomatic engagement, and media influence, destabilized Ukraine by creating a parallel power structure that exacerbated divisions. These efforts, combined with Russia’s aggressive response, set the stage for Crimea’s annexation, the civil war and Russia's eventual invasion of Ukraine. The U.S.'s role in shaping Ukraine’s political trajectory is a clear and irrefutable factor in the destabilization of the region.

This post was edited by ferdia on Feb 4 2025 11:18am

xD sad but true, its also contagious.

This has been an ongoing tug of war between the West and Russia since at least 2004. During the 90s, Russia was busy with itself and simply lacked the strength to fight back.

Do you think Russia hasn't been funding pro-Russian groups, media outlets and forces in Ukraine throughout all those years? Do you think Yanukovych never consulted with Russia about Ukraine's internal affairs? Nothing you accuse the West of hasn't been done by Russia to at least the same degree. "The West is the villain here" only follows from what you wrote under the premise that Russia has an inherently stronger right to meddle with Ukraine's politics and course than the West.



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Am I the only one finding it curious how the term "USAID" is namedropped all the time now, while it was barely ever mentioned in this thread until a few days ago?

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Feb 4 2025 03:51pm

The difference is that the West is the aggressor here. Which agrees with your post, that Russia lacked the strength to fight back in the 90s.

Zelensky puts Russian casualties at 350,000, with over 600,000 injured since start of war
https://m.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-840710

Zelensky puts Ukrainian war dead at more than 45,000
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/world/article-zelensky-puts-ukrainian-war-dead-at-more-than-45000/

"During the Kursk operation, the enemy has already lost 38,000 of their soldiers in this direction alone, with nearly 15,000 of these losses being irreversible,"
https://kyivindependent.com/zelensky-says-nearly-15-000-russians-have-been-killed-in-kursk-region/

Clearly Russia is losing

Aggressor in which sense? At least the Poles, Czechs, Baltics and Romanians absolutely wanted to align with the West, to join NATO and the EU. Russia isn't entitled to perpetual friendship with or dominion over these countries, just because they were part of the Russian sphere of influence in the past.

The same is also true for Western Ukraine and Kyiv, which clearly leaned toward aligning with the West instead of Russia. The big difference between Ukraine and these other Eastern European countries is that there were sizable regions of Ukraine in which people genuinely preferred alignment with Russia. In hindsight, Ukraine really should have been split up, Czechoslovakia-style, back in 2014.

"About 45 thousand of our people have died in the war," - Zionsky

Lol. We all know this is about to be spammed in western MSM as gospel.

As a side note not that long ago Trump tweeted this. At first i was like, okay, maybe true on those figures? But then i saw he said Russia lost 60MM during WW2 and i was like okay he's pulling these numbers out of his ass. Most experts agree that the Soviets lost roughly ~30MM during the war inclusive of civilians. So where is he getting 60MM from? If he's so off on that number it makes me question his 600k/700k/800k figures.



This post was edited by ofthevoid on Feb 4 2025 04:15pm

The first to throw a stone. US was the first to conduct subversive operations in Russian territory. US started the subversion in the 90s, Russia only responded with counter-subversion in the 00s

Agree that Ukraine should have been split far earlier, after the Soviet collapse would have been ideal. Having the Russian areas within the present borders of Ukraine was aggression against Russia

The problem now is that if Ukraine is chopped up and becomes a Western rump state, they're going to want all of Galicia too. So we'll see terrorism against the Poles in Galicia, in line with Banderite ideology, by the same people that Poland supported.

This post was edited by El1te on Feb 4 2025 04:47pm