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i understand his "argument" is .............. he chose 'atheism because he chose 'atheism and no reasoned argument is required why 'atheism was chosen


You dont "choose" to not believe something. You either believe something or you dont. In that case, I dont and I cant decide to suddenly turn into a religious believer.
If someone or something gives me a reason to believe in the existence of a god or something of that sort, I would always be open to change my mind.

Its not that no reasoned argument is there as to why i "chose" atheism. Its more like there is no argument to believe in a god. Atheism is my default state unless someone backs up one of those thousands of god claims with reason. Until then, not believing in one of a million fantastic different stories seems pretty damn reasonable.

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You dont "choose" to not believe something. You either believe something or you dont. In that case, I dont and I cant decide to suddenly turn into a religious believer.
If someone or something gives me a reason to believe in the existence of a god or something of that sort, I would always be open to change my mind.

Its not that no reasoned argument is there as to why i "chose" atheism. Its more like there is no argument to believe in a god. Atheism is my default state unless someone backs up one of those thousands of god claims with reason. Until then, not believing in one of a million fantastic different stories seems pretty damn reasonable.


what best explains the construct/universe we live in?
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what best explains the construct/universe we live in?


What explains it best?

Certainly the big bang theory as you can at least explain it logically and scientifically from where we are now back to the the alleged singularity. Not saying its true, but it certainly is the best explanation our minds were able to come up with.

God on the other hand is not an explanation at all. You cant scientifically track back to god as god would not be inside of scientific measurements, so that is a useless path to go.
You cannot verify the existence or nonexistence of god, you cannot make any logical argument for god, there is nothing you can measure or explain.

God is just a thought that is floating around without any foundation based inside of our real and measureable world.
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What explains it best?

Certainly the big bang theory as you can at least explain it logically and scientifically from where we are now back to the the alleged singularity. Not saying its true, but it certainly is the best explanation our minds were able to come up with.

God on the other hand is not an explanation at all. You cant scientifically track back to god as god would not be inside of scientific measurements, so that is a useless path to go.
You cannot verify the existence or nonexistence of god, you cannot make any logical argument for god, there is nothing you can measure or explain.

God is just a thought that is floating around without any foundation based inside of our real and measureable world.


so? the best explanation is all this stuff is the result of some kind of accidental unguided random process?.......... its all a accident?

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so? the best explanation is all this stuff is the result of some kind of accidental unguided random process?.......... its all a accident?


I dont know. You dont either. Would a random process make less sense to you then the magical intervention of an eternal omnipotent being that operates outside of all that is known?

No matter what the explanation for everything is (if there even is one), the human brain is not capable of understanding it all, its too limited. In my personal opinion, god is a human attempt to juggernaut through the wall and force explanations where we cant find any.
Its the easy way. God always was. He operates outside of time, he invented time, so he just is. No need to question this dude, its all explained now.

The Big Bang theory is an impressive theory and it is - to a certain point - backed up by scientific methods. Which is the most we hjmans are capable of doing right now - and probably ever will. Hopefully not tho.
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i understand his "argument" is .............. he chose 'atheism because he chose 'atheism and no reasoned argument is required why 'atheism was chosen


I lol'd :rofl:

All I'm saying to him is that he's not even a TRUE atheist because at one point I was an atheist too but the major difference being I went and studied IT amongst a host of other "philosophical concepts" and its ROOTS.

I'm saying to him he has a SURFACE level understanding of "atheism" and that is a platitude. The same platitude "theist" use when they say "God exists" with no argument.

His view of God is based entirely from a "Western Abrahamic perspective" and so from how he is talking about it I know he is not WELL READ in what he's talking about.

An atheist goes out and SHOULD study all SECULAR knowledge to prove without the shadow of a doubt that tendency and btw that is what Swami Vivekanada did, I did, and a billion other people who "think just like you do" did.

The "Vivekananda Vedanta Society" draws from ALL SECULAR KNOWLEDGE and exposes the LOGICAL FALLACIES within the "stories of God" but then extrapolates on it to INFINITUM. Literally "word for word" explaining everything right now you are saying.

How could you not know that the root of Atheism is in the far east? I studied it for YEARS but you are going to tell me what it's all about?

Swami Vivekananda is probably the most well known atheist of all time that you never heard of because like I said, "You only touched the surface" out of FEAR alone because you are scared to think that if after reading the "Bible" or the "Book of the dead" or the "4 Noble Truths" or the "Quran" that it may have some demonstrable affect/effect on you. This shows you are still holding onto concepts and fostering your own ego. It also shows that you do CARE and CONTRIVE MEANING the same way a "religious" person does. Atheism is a religion with no God. Saying anything else negates the supposed "core atheistic tendencies".

In Vedanta philosophy, the core concept is that it "shows you what you already had" because it teaches that the true nature of your being, or "Atman," is already present within you, and the practice of Vedanta is about removing the illusion of separation to realize this inherent oneness with the universal consciousness (Brahman) - essentially, it's not about acquiring something new, but recognizing what you already are.

Jesus said the same thing in a different way, "The Kingdom of Heaven is within you".

You are God your definition of God is just half-thought-out and is not all encompassing(It's how I know you're from the West). Look into Eastern Philosophy and actually know the roots of your supposed "belief system".

Buddhism is an agnostic “religion". If you look at the original words of the Buddha, he said, “Don't take my words on faith, try it and see for yourself.” But of course he has been lionized and elevated to a godlike level in the established sects.

Most Buddhists, especially western Buddhists, don't spend much time worrying about whether gods exist or not - it's just not an important question. Buddhism is essentially about living one's life so as to gain enlightenment; there may or may not be some gods or spirits around, but they're not of any real importance.

The Buddha did not claim to be divine, and Buddhism is generally considered a nontheistic religion. The Buddha's teachings emphasized the importance of understanding and accepting the way things are, rather than believing in a god.

I just think you would enjoy reading into Buddhism and other "atheistic concepts". Nothing more.

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I lol'd :rofl:

All I'm saying to him is that he's not even a TRUE atheist because at one point I was an atheist too but the major difference being I went and studied IT amongst a host of other "philosophical concepts" and its ROOTS.

I'm saying to him he has a SURFACE level understanding of "atheism" and that is a platitude. The same platitude "theist" use when they say "God exists" with no argument.

His view of God is based entirely from a "Western Abrahamic perspective" and so from how he is talking about it I know he is not WELL READ in what he's talking about.

An atheist goes out and SHOULD study all SECULAR knowledge to prove without the shadow of a doubt that tendency and btw ^Saurod that is what Swami Vivekanada did, I did, and a billion other people who "think just like you do" did.

The "Vivekananda Vedanta Society" draws from ALL SECULAR KNOWLEDGE and exposes the LOGICAL FALLACIES within the "stories of God" but then extrapolates on it to INFINITUM. Literally "word for word" explaining everything right now you are saying.

How could you not know that the root of Atheism is in the far east? I studied it for YEARS but you are going to tell me what it's all about?

Swami Vivekananda is probably the most well known atheist of all time that you never heard of because like I said, "You only touched the surface" out of FEAR alone because you are scared to think that if after reading the "Bible" or the "Book of the dead" or the "4 Noble Truths" or the "Quran" that it may have some demonstrable affect/effect on you. This shows you are still holding onto concepts and fostering your own ego. It also shows that you do CARE and CONTRIVE MEANING the same way a "religious" person does. Atheism is a religion with no God. Saying anything else negates the supposed "core atheistic tendencies".

In Vedanta philosophy, the core concept is that it "shows you what you already had" because it teaches that the true nature of your being, or "Atman," is already present within you, and the practice of Vedanta is about removing the illusion of separation to realize this inherent oneness with the universal consciousness (Brahman) - essentially, it's not about acquiring something new, but recognizing what you already are.

Jesus said the same thing in a different way, "The Kingdom of Heaven is within you".

You are God your definition of God is just half-thought-out and is not all encompassing(It's how I know you're from the West). Look into Eastern Philosophy and actually know the roots of your supposed "belief system".

Buddhism is an agnostic “religion". If you look at the original words of the Buddha, he said, “Don't take my words on faith, try it and see for yourself.” But of course he has been lionized and elevated to a godlike level in the established sects.

Most Buddhists, especially western Buddhists, don't spend much time worrying about whether gods exist or not - it's just not an important question. Buddhism is essentially about living one's life so as to gain enlightenment; there may or may not be some gods or spirits around, but they're not of any real importance.

The Buddha did not claim to be divine, and Buddhism is generally considered a nontheistic religion. The Buddha's teachings emphasized the importance of understanding and accepting the way things are, rather than believing in a god.

^Saurod I just think you would enjoy reading into Buddhism and other "atheistic concepts". Nothing more.


So much text, yet you somehow managed to say nothing. Congratulations, buddy.
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I dont know. You dont either. Would a random process make less sense to you then the magical intervention of an eternal omnipotent being that operates outside of all that is known?

No matter what the explanation for everything is (if there even is one), the human brain is not capable of understanding it all, its too limited. In my personal opinion, god is a human attempt to juggernaut through the wall and force explanations where we cant find any.
Its the easy way. God always was. He operates outside of time, he invented time, so he just is. No need to question this dude, its all explained now.

The Big Bang theory is an impressive theory and it is - to a certain point - backed up by scientific methods. Which is the most we hjmans are capable of doing right now - and probably ever will. Hopefully not tho.


in simplest understanding God would simply be an advanced creature. why are you calling it "magic"

i just posted a vid above please give it a chance
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Feb 10 2025 11:33am
in simplest understanding God would simply be an advanced creature. why are you calling it "magic"

i just posted a vid above please give it a chance


Its magical because it would operate outside of the physical universe while we dont even know if anything outside of that even exists. Its not "just" an advanced creature, it would be highly speculative and completely unexplainable by any measurement. Unrealistic by any realistic parameter.
The very concept of god can only be given names like magical as magical means nothing more than absolutely not explainable by any knowledge ever accumulated by physical beings (which are the only beings we known of)be it in the present, past or future.

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