What blackmail? Russians never stopped selling. It was Europeans who stopped buying.

Lots of copium today. Can anyone say hyperinflation?

Trump at his executive order signing in reference to Putin "He's destroying Russia"

yesyes, sent. i almost won, he had a very close shave but he got there in the end.





to be precise, the bet was that trump would be alive and sitting in the oval office after becoming president. glad i lost that bet.

This post was edited by ferdia on Jan 21 2025 10:25am

Talking about copium ^^

The EU is in dire need of growth and investment meanwhile the EU is supporting Ukraine fighting a war they cannot win and which resulted in the loss of critical infrastructure and energy crisis (Nord Stream, investigation quietly dropped because well, they found out who did it).

Make sure to check it comrade --> https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=77347766&f=119&p=670518168#p670518168

This was expected. Remember the warhawks crowing that a Ukraine aid package was passed in the most recent spending bill that would FORCE Trump to send more billions to Ukraine?

That's not how that works. The President isn't forced to use the money. If it's determined by the Executive (President) that moneys allotted by Congress are counter to the Will of the People, then he can simply let that money sit. He cannot use it on anything else, but he can just not use it at all. It's up to the EXECUTIVE to execute the will of the people. Not Congress. The power of the purse allows Congress to limit where the Executive spends money, not force the Executive into spending money where Congress wants them to.

This post was edited by InsaneBobb on Jan 21 2025 11:03am

Blatant lies. It was Russia which first throttled and then shut down Nord Stream 1 in July/August 2022 while Germany was still very willing to receive gas through it. (Keep in mind that in all EU matters, there's always a host of smaller nations with similar interests who hide behind Germany.)

The Russians justified the throttling with an allegedly defective turbine. When Germany had a replacement turbine imported from Canada, directly skirting the official sanctions, the Russians refused to grant the necessary paperwork for this turbine and didn't allow it to be shipped to them.




I would assume that the EU is nonetheless importing much less Russian gas overall. Even if LNG imports are somewhat above their 2022 or 2019 levels, the bulk of the gas used to come via pipeline.

If pipeline gas made up, say, 80% of Russian gas for Europe before the war, pipeline supplies are down 95% and LNG supplies are up 50%, you still arrive an overall reduction of 66%.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Jan 21 2025 11:10am

Correct my memory here: Didn't a contract with Germany expire, and Germany refused to pay the asking price for a new contract? They not only wanted a lower price for the gas, but they also wanted military concessions as well?

That's not Russia "refusing to sell". That's a customer refusing to pay the cost, and attempting to extort the seller.

Perhaps my memory is faulty. Doesn't matter to me anyhow. I've been far too entertained watching France/Germany wipe out their Nuclear/Gas/Oil/Coal sectors in favor of high cost low yield turbines and solar panels from China. Make China Great Again should be the European motto. It was certainly the Biden Administration's motto.

This post was edited by InsaneBobb on Jan 21 2025 11:16am

The point made is that the EU still spends billions buying Russian gas.

You say it's a reduction in volume, ok sure but in terms of revenue it's less of a reduction because the LNG is more expensive (BTW also a waste of energy because it requires special infrastructure and shipping, so much for the green agenda I guess).

The simple fact is that the EU still buys Russian gas, has to pay more for it and now gets LNG which is much less convenient than natural gas delivered in bulk via pipeline right at your doorstep.


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IIRC the German government never even certified NS2, it never delivered any gas despite being completed and already under pressure just waiting for the green light from Germany.



This post was edited by Djunior on Jan 21 2025 11:34am

I would not say it was an intentional, blatant, lie. I would say that over time peoples memory of events have been clouded by everything that has gone on. thankfully Chatgpt is to the rescue once more:

Under Angela Merkel’s leadership, Germany sought cooperation with Russia, believing that maintaining strong economic and diplomatic ties was essential for stable relations. Merkel prioritized dialogue and negotiated energy deals, including Nord Stream 1 and Nord Stream 2, as a way to foster cooperation. In contrast, the US, under successive administrations, consistently opposed both Nord Stream and Nord Stream 2. They viewed the pipelines as tools for strengthening Russian influence over Europe’s energy supply and worked to block their development through sanctions and diplomatic pressure. Similarly, Ukraine opposed Nord Stream and Nord Stream 2, seeing them as threats to its sovereignty and a bypass of its crucial transit role for Russian gas.

As tensions between Ukraine and Russia intensified, the US continued to support Ukraine and voice strong objections against the pipelines. Russia, in turn, leveraged its gas supply to warn Europe of the consequences of supporting Ukraine, aiming to deter Western involvement. However, after Merkel’s departure, Germany lacked a strong leader to advocate for maintaining good relations with Russia. With the US pushing a more aggressive stance and no strong EU opposition, Russia’s attempt to use energy supply as leverage to avoid conflict with Ukraine ultimately failed.

This post was edited by ferdia on Jan 21 2025 11:45am

We've been over this several times. I have my facts straight regarding gas and oil.

Nord Stream 1 went on maintenance every year on schedule in July/August.



In May 2022 Siemens was supposed to return one of gas turbines to Portovaya back from their maintenance facility in Canada. Instead they held the turbine hostage and shipped it back to Germany to "skirt the sanctions" as you have pointed out.

Gazprom demanded explanations as to why maintenance contract was breached by Siemens and whether sanctions apply to this maintenance contract before shipping out other turbines which could have also been held hostage (All turbines had to be maintained in Canada). No proper reply was given to Gazprom. Instead of that, Siemens tried to blame Gazprom.

https://www.spglobal.com/commodity-insights/en/news-research/latest-news/natural-gas/081222-russia-reiterates-demand-for-nord-stream-gas-turbine-sanctions-assurances

Siemens was not able to provide necessary documentation before Nord Stream exploded, rest is history. You could argue that Siemens was not able to provide it because it was an impossible task due to mess that was created by Western governments while implementing sanctions against Russia, however that does not disqualify Gazprom position. The only thing you can blame them for is using legal technicality of contract law and being pedantic while facing and actively hostile buyer who's waging economic war against them. Despite that - to my knowledge, all contracted volume was delivered to buyers before Nord Stream exploded. Gazprom was under no obligation to sell extra on spot markets. If anything this could be hashed out in court if Nord Stream ever restarts.

There are no restrictions from Russian oil and gas companies to sell to European suppliers to my knowledge. Some countries still accept Russian-produced oil and gas. The only restrictions come from EU in forms of price caps. That's not how free markets work, obviously:

"I will only buy bread from you if you sell it to me for 3 cents! And if you don't sell it to me for 3 cents then you are weaponizing your bread making skills against me! how dare you!" or something ridiculous among those lines.

This post was edited by Malopox on Jan 21 2025 01:08pm