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I can't imagine how it's possible to solve the basic tasks of ensuring peace in just one day, namely: the exchange of prisoners on an "all for all" basis, the exchange of the bodies of the deceased and/or their burial with military honors, the creation of operational groups (task force?) for demining, the return of refugees, and the reconstruction of damaged infrastructure.
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I can't imagine how it's possible to solve the basic tasks of ensuring peace in just one day, namely: the exchange of prisoners on an "all for all" basis, the exchange of the bodies of the deceased and/or their burial with military honors, the creation of operational groups (task force?) for demining, the return of refugees, and the reconstruction of damaged infrastructure.


All the bodies of dead hostages traded for the prisoners who murdered them, sounds like a deal
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All the bodies of dead hostages traded for the prisoners who murdered them, sounds like a deal


PoWs for PoWs. Your phrase sounds like a recent Israel/Palestine deal.
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As of January 19, 2025, under the current ceasefire agreement between Israel and Hamas, the first exchange involved the release of three Israeli hostages—Emily Damari, Romi Gonen, and Doron Steinbrecher—in return for 90 Palestinian prisoners, comprising 69 women and 21 teenage boys. The agreement outlines a phased exchange over six weeks, during which 33 Israeli hostages are to be freed in exchange for approximately 1,900 Palestinian prisoners.

This is in line with previous prisoner swaps.

afaik 1/4 of all Palestinians have been detailed in prisons.

On October 7, 2023, Hamas launched a large-scale attack on Israel, resulting in the deaths of approximately 1,175 individuals. This figure includes 725 Israeli civilians and 450 security personnel. In the ensuing conflict, as of January 19, 2025, Palestinian health authorities report that over 46,600 Palestinians have been killed in Gaza due to Israel's ground and air campaigns.

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As of January 19, 2025, under the current ceasefire agreement between Israel and Hamas, the first exchange involved the release of three Israeli hostages—Emily Damari, Romi Gonen, and Doron Steinbrecher—in return for 90 Palestinian prisoners, comprising 69 women and 21 teenage boys. The agreement outlines a phased exchange over six weeks, during which 33 Israeli hostages are to be freed in exchange for approximately 1,900 Palestinian prisoners.

afaik 1/4 of all Palestinians have been detailed in prisons.


Important notice, you list those Palestinians as women and children implying a noncombatant status. Nope, all of them are terrorists, some of them bellow 18 thus underage.

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Important notice, you list those Palestinians as women and children implying a noncombatant status. Nope, all of them are terrorists, some of them bellow 18 thus underage.


your argument is not safe noting historically israel has released prisoners held in administrative detention in prisoner swaps. This is tempered by the following information which has been provided:

As part of the January 2025 ceasefire agreement between Israel and Hamas, approximately 1,900 Palestinian prisoners are slated for release. This group includes 737 men, women, and teenagers, some of whom are members of militant groups, as well as 1,167 Palestinians detained in Gaza since the onset of the war.. One notable individual set for release is Zakaria Zubeidi, the former Jenin chief of the Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades. Zubeidi has been implicated in multiple attacks against Israelis and was previously on Israel's most-wanted list. The specific charges against each prisoner vary, ranging from involvement in militant activities to participation in attacks against Israeli civilians and security forces. However, detailed information on the individual charges for all prisoners has not been publicly disclosed.

re: Zakaria Zubeidi, i am curious to see if the rumors related to his health are true or not.

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your argument is not safe noting historically israel has released prisoners held in administrative detention in prisoner swaps. This is tempered by the following information which has been provided:

As part of the January 2025 ceasefire agreement between Israel and Hamas, approximately 1,900 Palestinian prisoners are slated for release. This group includes 737 men, women, and teenagers, some of whom are members of militant groups, as well as 1,167 Palestinians detained in Gaza since the onset of the war.. One notable individual set for release is Zakaria Zubeidi, the former Jenin chief of the Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades. Zubeidi has been implicated in multiple attacks against Israelis and was previously on Israel's most-wanted list. The specific charges against each prisoner vary, ranging from involvement in militant activities to participation in attacks against Israeli civilians and security forces. However, detailed information on the individual charges for all prisoners has not been publicly disclosed.


Yes, the point is none of them are innocent noncombatants, the charges against each individual may vary though. We both hate the way the new age MSM lies about stuff by leaving out the context or important details, right?

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Yes, the point is none of them are innocent noncombatants, the charges against each individual may vary though. We both hate the way the new age MSM lies about stuff by leaving out the context or important details, right?


right.

also crap, i meant to post that in the other topic my bad.

This post was edited by ferdia on Jan 19 2025 04:32pm
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So, Finlandisation deal - which worked well for Finland for decades.

- strict neutrality & they lost about 10% land

- no nato: this should be easy as it’s patently obvious west has no intention of ever offering ukraine membership

- neutrality: also easy. Ukraine had that in constitution until 2014. W/o nato it’s the only choice

- bilateral security deals: Putin says this acceptable. So the key nego for Kyiv is not with Russia but London Paris Berlin & WH. The prob with this is west is not keen to offer Kyiv any sort of real deal. This is where peace deal will fail.

- army: another tough nut. How small is small? But this was largely agreed already in Istanbul

- territory: another hard one to swallow. But have to accept no way ukraine is getting back all 20% lost.

Crimea is a write off. Forget it.
Landbridge I doubt any wiggle room.
But Donbas & 4 regions kremlin already said there’s wiggle room

Also Putin here is saying he’s willing to trade to get Kursk territory back.

Can ze swallow losing say 15%? I don’t think he has much choice.


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"Everyone must agree to end the war in Ukraine, and Zelensky supports that position." Trump's advisor Michael Waltz said.

Trump's national security adviser, Michael Waltz, said President Zelensky expressed his willingness to work with Donald Trump to end the war.

"President Trump has made it clear that this war has to stop. I think everyone has to agree with that. Even Zelensky is coming into the room and saying, 'We're ready to work with you, President Trump, to stop this war.'" - declared Waltz.

Waltz emphasized the settlement's three main aspects: the composition of the negotiators, the organizational process, and the scope of the agreement.

"Firstly, who are we going to invite to the negotiation table? Secondly, how will we get them to sit at the table? Thirdly, what will be the scope of the agreement," he said.

The adviser also warned that the war in Ukraine is a "meat grinder" and could trigger the third world war


Good news hopefully
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Broken promise #1 on a long list of broken promises to come.

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