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Jan 14 2025 05:10am
Imagine if we collaborated instead of trying to kill one another. What a world.


there was a mirage in the early 2000's, and then the world went to shit basically.
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Jan 14 2025 10:14am
New sanctions are scary enough to curb India/Chinese oil imports from Russia. Have they actually found sanctions that actually work? I think part of the compliance has to do with incoming president Trump which has made noise with threat of tariffs. A lot of countries are being scared into submission by the tariffs. We'll see what happens.

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SINGAPORE, Jan 14 (Reuters) - Supertanker freight rates jumped after the U.S. expanded sanctions on Russia's oil industry, sending traders rushing to book vessels to ship supply from other countries to China and India, shipbrokers and traders said.
Chinese and Indian refiners are seeking alternative fuel supplies as they adapt to severe new U.S. sanctions on Russian producers and tankers designed to curb the world No. 2 oil exporter's revenue due to its war in Ukraine.
Many of the newly-targeted vessels, part of a so-called shadow fleet that seeks to avoid Western restrictions, have been used to ship oil to India and China, which snapped up cheap Russian supply that was banned in Europe following Moscow's invasion of Ukraine. Some of the tankers have also shipped oil from Iran, which is under sanctions as well.
The latest U.S. action means an estimated 35% of some 669 shadow fleet tankers involved in shipping Russian, Venezuelan and Iranian oil have been hit with sanctions by either the U.S., Britain or European Union, according to analysis by Lloyd’s List Intelligence.


https://www.reuters.com/markets/commodities/oil-shipping-rates-surge-after-us-sanctions-tighten-global-fleet-2025-01-14/
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Jan 14 2025 11:42am
If we look at it from the perspective of strengthening military potential to meet public opinion, then after the mobilization of 18-year-olds, the number of war supporters will clearly decrease. Which is a step closer to the future peace talks. Zelensky will probably blame his people for begging him to end the war.


Yes, that's a very good point. All the political wrangling for nothing more than saving face, when there are many thousands of lives on the line is fun, isn't it?

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Jan 14 2025 12:23pm
New sanctions are scary enough to curb India/Chinese oil imports from Russia. Have they actually found sanctions that actually work? I think part of the compliance has to do with incoming president Trump which has made noise with threat of tariffs. A lot of countries are being scared into submission by the tariffs. We'll see what happens.

https://www.reuters.com/markets/commodities/oil-shipping-rates-surge-after-us-sanctions-tighten-global-fleet-2025-01-14/


The big question mark is how much global oil prices would be impacted if Russian oil truly disappared from the market. Could be a blip, but could also trigger a new round of global inflation, which is the last thing anyone wants right now, Trump/the US included.

US production is set to expand under a Trump presidency, but it will take at least some time before the expanded capacities come online. Will SA be willing to fill the gap in the meantime?
This is a nice cudgel to wield against Russia with regard to the imminent peace talks, but imho not something the West could keep up in the long run. In reality, the Russian shadow fleet gave the West a face-saving way out of its own sanctions rhetoric.
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4650 pages. what on earth.
The big question mark is how much global oil prices would be impacted if Russian oil truly disappared from the market. Could be a blip, but could also trigger a new round of global inflation, which is the last thing anyone wants right now, Trump/the US included.

US production is set to expand under a Trump presidency, but it will take at least some time before the expanded capacities come online. Will SA be willing to fill the gap in the meantime?
This is a nice cudgel to wield against Russia with regard to the imminent peace talks, but imho not something the West could keep up in the long run. In reality, the Russian shadow fleet gave the West a face-saving way out of its own sanctions rhetoric.


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The big question mark is how much global oil prices would be impacted if Russian oil truly disappared from the market. Could be a blip, but could also trigger a new round of global inflation, which is the last thing anyone wants right now, Trump/the US included.

US production is set to expand under a Trump presidency, but it will take at least some time before the expanded capacities come online. Will SA be willing to fill the gap in the meantime?
This is a nice cudgel to wield against Russia with regard to the imminent peace talks, but imho not something the West could keep up in the long run. In reality, the Russian shadow fleet gave the West a face-saving way out of its own sanctions rhetoric.


Yeah agree
Inflation in the US is still an issue, that's why we have close to 5% yield on the 10 year even though the fed cut several times and was expected to cut 2-3 times in 2025. Russia is too big of a global player to completely push out of the supply market with none of the OPEC members able to fully cover that supply need. It's a double edged sword for the west, sure we want to pressure them, particularly right now as to force their hand in potential upcoming peace negotiations but if this drags out, it's a huge negative for the west just as well. This is also the slow season of travel/oil demand so if there's a good time, it's now, not late spring/summer.

US shale is also not what it was a decade ago. I listen to various financial podcast and wells in Permian/Bakken/Eagle Ford that spurred the shale revolution aren't producing at the same rates as they once were. We can probably find other places to drill in but those mentioned were considered much more economical.

https://www.artberman.com/blog/beginning-of-the-end-for-the-permian/#:~:text=The%20results%20of%20decline%2Dcurve,38%25%20from%202021%20to%202023.

This post was edited by ofthevoid on Jan 14 2025 12:51pm
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Yeah agree
Inflation in the US is still an issue, that's why we have close to 5% yield on the 10 year even though the fed cut several times and was expected to cut 2-3 times in 2025. Russia is too big of a global player to completely push out of the supply market with none of the OPEC members able to fully cover that supply need. It's a double edged sword for the west, sure we want to pressure them, particularly right now as to force their hand in potential upcoming peace negotiations but if this drags out, it's a huge negative for the west just as well. This is also the slow season of travel/oil demand so if there's a good time, it's now, not late spring/summer.

US shale is also not what it was a decade ago. I listen to various financial podcast and wells in Permian/Bakken/Eagle Ford that spurred the shale revolution aren't producing at the same rates as they once were. We can probably find other places to drill in but those mentioned were considered much more economical.

https://www.artberman.com/blog/beginning-of-the-end-for-the-permian/#:~:text=The%20results%20of%20decline%2Dcurve,38%25%20from%202021%20to%202023.


Yeah agree
Inflation in the US is still an issue, that's why we have close to 5% yield on the 10 year even though the fed cut several times and was expected to cut 2-3 times in 2025. Russia is too big of a global player to completely push out of the supply market with none of the OPEC members able to fully cover that supply need. It's a double edged sword for the west, sure we want to pressure them, particularly right now as to force their hand in potential upcoming peace negotiations but if this drags out, it's a huge negative for the west just as well. This is also the slow season of travel/oil demand so if there's a good time, it's now, not late spring/summer.

US shale is also not what it was a decade ago. I listen to various financial podcast and wells in Permian/Bakken/Eagle Ford that spurred the shale revolution aren't producing at the same rates as they once were. We can probably find other places to drill in but those mentioned were considered much more economical.

https://www.artberman.com/blog/beginning-of-the-end-for-the-permian/#:~:text=The%20results%20of%20decline%2Dcurve,38%25%20from%202021%20to%202023.


see above pls
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https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/dad-slams-vladimir-putin-releasing-34486176

The outraged father - a career officer in Putin’s secret services - said: “The penal colony management promised me that they would never go to the [war]. I am not afraid, I want to shout to the whole country so that our fighters know who they will be side by side with. These are sick people.”

It is exceptionally rare - and dangerous - for secret services officers to speak out criticising the Putin regime. A relative said that as an FSB officer, "even his connections did not help” keep the sexually-motivated killers in jail amid Putin’s desperation for men to fight in his war which has already seen hundreds of thousands of deaths.

Karma never sleeps

In other news more propagandists/Russian paid psychos get the shaft from lady Karma:



https://www.newsweek.com/russian-propagandist-alaska-secession-calls-coma-tigran-keosayan-2012511

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Jan 16 2025 03:32am
So, Finlandisation deal - which worked well for Finland for decades.

- strict neutrality & they lost about 10% land

- no nato: this should be easy as it’s patently obvious west has no intention of ever offering ukraine membership

- neutrality: also easy. Ukraine had that in constitution until 2014. W/o nato it’s the only choice

- bilateral security deals: Putin says this acceptable. So the key nego for Kyiv is not with Russia but London Paris Berlin & WH. The prob with this is west is not keen to offer Kyiv any sort of real deal. This is where peace deal will fail.

- army: another tough nut. How small is small? But this was largely agreed already in Istanbul

- territory: another hard one to swallow. But have to accept no way ukraine is getting back all 20% lost.

Crimea is a write off. Forget it.
Landbridge I doubt any wiggle room.
But Donbas & 4 regions kremlin already said there’s wiggle room

Also Putin here is saying he’s willing to trade to get Kursk territory back.

Can ze swallow losing say 15%? I don’t think he has much choice.
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Jan 16 2025 05:20am
So, Finlandisation deal - which worked well for Finland for decades.

- strict neutrality & they lost about 10% land

- no nato: this should be easy as it’s patently obvious west has no intention of ever offering ukraine membership

- neutrality: also easy. Ukraine had that in constitution until 2014. W/o nato it’s the only choice

- bilateral security deals: Putin says this acceptable. So the key nego for Kyiv is not with Russia but London Paris Berlin & WH. The prob with this is west is not keen to offer Kyiv any sort of real deal. This is where peace deal will fail.

- army: another tough nut. How small is small? But this was largely agreed already in Istanbul

- territory: another hard one to swallow. But have to accept no way ukraine is getting back all 20% lost.

Crimea is a write off. Forget it.
Landbridge I doubt any wiggle room.
But Donbas & 4 regions kremlin already said there’s wiggle room

Also Putin here is saying he’s willing to trade to get Kursk territory back.

Can ze swallow losing say 15%? I don’t think he has much choice.


Source? I'd like the sauce.

This post was edited by babun1024 on Jan 16 2025 05:21am
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