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Sep 8 2011 06:16pm
Quote (Godest @ Sep 8 2011 05:36pm)
Habakkuk22 is meni smarth lololololol


smarth is using his smolphin slash, watch out
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Sep 12 2011 07:34am
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Faith Shadow Bow
Eth Titans (or godly 400/40/4/eth/rep javas)
Stormshield
Enigma
Griffon's Eye (15/15)
+2 javas / 20% ias / knockback rare glove (+resists)
Arachs
Rare all resists boots
1x FCR ring (+resists, stats, etc)
1x Ravenfrost
+2 Zon 17%+ FCR amulet
9x Java/Life Skillers (nn fhr on zon)
10x 20/5 scs
Torch/Anni
Sub charm slots out as necessary for cube or directly placed CTA- 1 less skiller and 1 less sc works, or 2 less skillers for cta in inventory (much easier to swap out without dropping it)

20 plague
20 poison
20 charged strike
20 lightning fury
1 guided arrow
1 d/a/e
1 valk (might as well if you get slow missiles for pubs- otherwise you can skip these points for more CS damage)
1 crit/penetrate/pierce
rest lightning bolt- remember this is used over fury against BvA's
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Sep 12 2011 07:53am
Quote (Goomshill @ Sep 12 2011 08:34am)
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Forgot the stat pic :)

Ive c@p'd the relevant posts on this build for folks asking about this build instead of wading thru spam (and 97 pages) and older revisions on nailing down the spec.
Nice work @putting Habakkuk22 in his place, that was a great post with irrefutable facts.



This post was edited by Master_Zappy on Sep 12 2011 07:56am
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Sep 12 2011 08:41am
Husker, your zon was great in season 7 in the Kraken Ladder
but I guarantee you if you were to use Plague Javelin against the opponents I've come to spar with on ESCNL, it wouldn't work at all
It's alot different on NL, people have characters worth 50,000 fg + and I'm telling you right now that poison damage fails in NL against such statistical power
This also pretains to all elemental in general being useless, aside from Cold Sorc specifically due to Cold Mastery
Otherwise, in the end you're looking at: Physical, Bone, Wind, Blessed Hammer, Open Wounding as a requirement to be a threat to your opponent
Or your character isn't going to win a ft5 for 1000fg, it isn't going to happen
This is why Light Sorcs and CSers (as example) aren't seriously used in real PvP, we both know this

Goomshill, your justifications of this shitty build aren't worth arguing over
But I will show you evidence of why this stupid fucking build doesn't work ^^


(All Zon Skills Were Allowed In This Ladder, Even CS/Plague/Teleport)
Notice that all players in the top 3 are Bowas/1 point Fury
Notice that all players using CS/Plague Javelin and Teleport, rank extremely low (the only exception being Host) who rarely ever tried to use plague, because it doesn't fucking hit
Argue with this kid
Z v Z East Ladder Season 7 --> http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=51836251&f=147&o=375

This post was edited by Habakkuk22 on Sep 12 2011 08:43am
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Sep 12 2011 09:24am
i cant ever seem to get above 71K plague javs using a similar build to 1st post. any way to up my jav side damage?

but the zon is very fun. when played right, its pretty good. but then again im just using a welfare build in pubs...:)

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Sep 12 2011 10:09am
Quote (Habakkuk22 @ Sep 12 2011 09:41am)


Goomshill, your justifications of this shitty build aren't worth arguing over
But I will show you evidence of why this stupid fucking build doesn't work ^^


(All Zon Skills Were Allowed In This Ladder, Even CS/Plague/Teleport)
Notice that all players in the top 3 are Bowas/1 point Fury
Notice that all players using CS/Plague Javelin and Teleport, rank extremely low (the only exception being Host) who rarely ever tried to use plague, because it doesn't fucking hit
Argue with this kid
Z v Z East Ladder Season 7 --> http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=51836251&f=147&o=375



Sounds like the last bastion of someone trying to save face after they've been proven wrong with the numerical evidence ie facts and then (see gooms post a couple back).falling back on "shitty build" (unsubstantiated opinion) , and ( aren't worth arguing over ) which in my book = " I'm incapable of contributing anything more then personal speculation because the previous facts left me with nothing".


with respect to zvz ladder. It might show a trend, but its basically useless as evidence one way or the other.
You dont know their builds vs the spec Goom presented.
Individual players skill can be a factor.



When you completely fail to grasp something basic like ias on a strafe zon...twice. Your "opinion" doesn't look to credible, especially when you suggest "botting"

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http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=57501048&f=87

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Sep 12 2011 11:57am
Nice save
Unfortunately this is all still true:



Quote (Habakkuk22 @ Sep 7 2011 08:58pm)
Here is why CS/Plague fails in the end:

* Charged Strike is not reliable
--> It's easily sorbed and stacked against in pubs
--> It's too hard to stomp and hit with while playing GM against casters who actually know what they are doing (Amazons have terrible FCR Frames)

* Plague Javelin is not reliable
--> Certain characters you'll never hit with Plague Javelin for starters, this is more a defensive skill used to ward off melee and aggressive stompers
--> It's easily stacked against with - poison timer reduction items and I quote this statement from my own guide:
Poison Damage SCs are weak damage per second
37x 451 Poison SCs is 17,414 poison damage over 12 seconds but after modifers it is much much lower.
First of all, subtract 75% poison resistance. This results in 4,354 poison damage over 12 seconds.
Now apply the PvP damage modifier which reduces all attacks 17% of their original damage. This results in 741 damage over 12 seconds,
Which is really only 62 extra damage per second. This isn't even considering someone wearing poison length reduction.
Upon this, you're sacrificing any and all + resistance, + run and + life off SCs to achieve this small amount of extra poison damage.

(Trust me when I say it isn't worth it, get yourself 3/xx/runs and 3/xx/20 lifers. You'll thank yourself in the end)
--> The same mechanics apply to Plague Javelin and all other types of poison damage
--> Plague Javelin will work once and once only per opponent in any serious PvP environment. The next time you duel them in a rematch, I guarantee they'll have stashed gear to deal with high poison damage
--> And using this gear to deal with poison damage is by all rights (considered GM) in East Ruling

* Teleport on an Amazon is not reliable
--> Amazons require 152% FCR to achieve a terrible and slow 11 frame teleportation speed. Litterally, every other character in the game can teleport (faster) than your amazon
--> This means, that any aggressive chain-locking stomping caster, or even BvC for that matter, will be able to easily catch your ass and kill you. This isn't an opinion, this is a fact
--> Upon this observation, trying to juggle enough FCR with other gear to still somehow achieve desirable IAS fpa/DR/ED%/Run on an Amazon, is silly and impractical and it doesn't work at all

Amazon
FCR Frames
0% = 19
7% = 18
14% = 17
22% = 16
32% = 15
48% = 14
68% = 13
99% = 12
152% = 11

Assassin
FCR Frames
0% = 16
8% = 15
16% = 14
27% = 13
42% = 12
65% = 11
102% = 10
174% = 9

Barbarian
FCR Frames
0% = 13
9% = 12
20% = 11
37% = 10
63% = 9
105% = 8
200% = 7

Druid
FCR Frames
0% = 15
10% = 14
20% = 13
40% = 12
65% = 11
99% = 10
163% = 9

Necromancer
FCR Frames
0% = 15
9% = 14
18% = 13
30% = 12
48% = 11
75% = 10
125% = 9

Paladin
FCR Frames
0% = 15
9% = 14
18% = 13
30% = 12
48% = 11
75% = 10
125% = 9

Sorceress
FCR Frames
0% = 13
9% = 12
20% = 11
37% = 10
63% = 9
105% = 8
200% = 7



When it comes to Diablo 2 and High Tier PvP, here are choices for how to damage your opponent:

* Physical
* Bone
* Wind
* Blessed Hammer
* Open Wounds

These damage types are reliable and always hurt
Anything else, just doesn't cut it in the end


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Sep 12 2011 03:03pm
Quote (Habakkuk22 @ Sep 12 2011 11:57am)
Nice save
Unfortunately this is all still true:


You got refuted point for point, and your 'points' decimated and disintegrated. Why do you continue to embarrass yourself?
You're like those kids in dueling games that say "HAHA PSN SUCKS", dies to me, then keeps coming back for his body and charging at me futilely and dying again.



What are you trying to prove? That you can't do basic math? That you suck at dueling? That you don't know how to use plague javelin? That NL is 95% hackers who suck at dueling?
You don't even know how to hit someone with a plague javelin. Try this some day.

Throw a plague behind yourself, in the opposite direction of where your opponent is facing, while he's off your minimap during a teleport chase.
Now teleport towards him, and watch as he goes to flank you around the opposite side, trading places as he positions himself to spam (fireballs/spears/etc)
And finds himself inside of a totally unavoidable, invisible plague cloud. Because to him, the plague is invisible, and he has no way to dodge it, because he doesn't know where it is.

How does a paladin, windy, bvc, ghost, cs zon, or any melee char, get to "avoid" plague javelin, despite the fact you can simply walk into your own clouds and poison any character who tries to stomp or chase you?
They can't. Those builds need to get poisoned to have any chance, and they know it, so they'll run straight through it and try to berserk you down before they die- and this build is built precisely to survive longer than other people, with its 400,000 physical damage tanked.
And not only those builds- characters like FB sorcs, light sorcs, bone necros, trappers, also need to stomp you to kill you. They can try to keep a distance and trade hits with you, but you'll always win that matchup
After all, you have garrow, fury, and CS chainlock stomps- while throwing invisible plague clouds to bait your opponents. Nobody is going to beat a damach zon at long range.
The only way your opponent even has a chance it to try to stomp you, and plague is the defense against that.


So tell me, what builds are excluded from what I just said. I think I named just about every build there is. Ok, cold sorcs might not need to stomp you. Most might try.
But that a trivial duel- if you have a 120 cold shield and ravens on, they have no chance, you can just fly around stomping them, but even without any stack, the duel is wildly in your favor- plague punishes defwhore cold builds, and offensive ones, alike.
What else? Bowazons? Don't make me laugh. I've never lost a duel to a bowazon, ever. In fact, I've beaten the best ZvZ's on ladder in gm duels, using only my bow. Thats right. On a 1 point garrow vita build with no +% damage.
This is possible, of course, because teleport makes the duels a snooze, and no non-tele bowazon has a chance against a tele one. I won't pretend to "gm zvz", only gm "1v1". With plague/cs/valk/fury, its not even a duel though- you just plunk yourself on top of them and autowin



So lets think. I just described how plague helps against about 95% of dueling builds, crushing them. What are you still trying to prove? That you can't do basic math? That you suck at dueling? That you'll get an extra 10% warn if you spam a paid thread with copy/paste quotes for the third time?
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Sep 12 2011 03:26pm
nvm

This post was edited by bioshocker on Sep 12 2011 03:27pm
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Quote (bioshocker @ Sep 12 2011 03:26pm)
nvm


my zons stash has a treachery, um'd p-kiras, 4x ptopaz monarch, 4x psapphire monarch, 2x wisps 2x dwarfs 1x raven hotspurs rising sun tgods and for good measure a lo'd blackhorns
so don't u go gettin no ideas, cutey :3
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