d2jsp
Log InRegister
d2jsp Forums > Diablo II > Diablo 2 Discussion > Strategy & Guides > Guide To The Basics Of Mf% V 2.0 > Look Here Before You Ask How Much Mf!
Prev1789101114Next
Add Reply New Topic New Poll
Member
Posts: 27
Joined: Oct 6 2005
Gold: 0.00
Nov 11 2008 08:59pm
I don't really agree with the concept of stripping all MF just for the purposes of finding whites/greys, because the change isn't enormous. You will get more non-promoted whites/greys, and you can even benefit from higher kill speed, but it's not as huge of a change as some believe. Let's use the following example - Hell cowing, 7 (or 8) players, searching for Archon Plates, 2 possible cases:

1.) Running with max kill speed with 0% MF, or
2.) Sacrificing 10% overall kill speed for 250% MF.

From drop calcs, in case 1 a cow has 1/5056 chance of dropping a white/grey AP. In case 2, 1/5630. We also have to sacrifice 10% of the items in case 2 from the loss of kill power, so that would be (1/5630) / 0.9 = 1/6256 (for purposes of comparison only.)

So in this example, dropping from 250% to 0% MF could net you 23.7% more whites/greys. Sounds nice, and if ALL you care about in the universe is whites/greys, definitely beneficial. But in exchange, you are giving up 50.6% of your uniques, 58.2% of your sets, and 59.7% of your rares. That's even factoring in more kill speed for 0% MF. Seems too costly to me...

This post was edited by Swordslash on Nov 11 2008 09:01pm
Member
Posts: 9,694
Joined: Apr 7 2006
Gold: 330.00
Nov 14 2008 06:19am
Quote (Swordslash @ Wed, 12 Nov 2008, 03:59)
I don't really agree with the concept of stripping all MF just for the purposes of finding whites/greys, because the change isn't enormous. You will get more non-promoted whites/greys, and you can even benefit from higher kill speed, but it's not as huge of a change as some believe. Let's use the following example - Hell cowing, 7 (or 8) players, searching for Archon Plates, 2 possible cases:

1.) Running with max kill speed with 0% MF, or
2.) Sacrificing 10% overall kill speed for 250% MF.

From drop calcs, in case 1 a cow has 1/5056 chance of dropping a white/grey AP. In case 2, 1/5630. We also have to sacrifice 10% of the items in case 2 from the loss of kill power, so that would be (1/5630) / 0.9 = 1/6256 (for purposes of comparison only.)

So in this example, dropping from 250% to 0% MF could net you 23.7% more whites/greys. Sounds nice, and if ALL you care about in the universe is whites/greys, definitely beneficial. But in exchange, you are giving up 50.6% of your uniques, 58.2% of your sets, and 59.7% of your rares. That's even factoring in more kill speed for 0% MF. Seems too costly to me...


Not to mention that it is impractical, since most of use have our normal fighting gear with some MF on it.

The only point that should be made about reducing MF and White / Gray items is really that you will maximise them if you have zero MF. Doesn't mean it's an overall good strategy, just like loading up 1000 MF is a terrible strategy.


Member
Posts: 2,478
Joined: Jul 10 2006
Gold: 50.00
Nov 23 2008 03:14pm
Guide bump
Member
Posts: 29,029
Joined: Feb 20 2008
Gold: 0.60
Nov 26 2008 06:55am
so how much mf should I get? ^^





just kidding, nice guide, very usefull....thanks for the work mate!
Member
Posts: 19,711
Joined: Jun 21 2007
Gold: 40,000.00
Nov 26 2008 07:51am
sexy imo
Member
Posts: 29,029
Joined: Feb 20 2008
Gold: 0.60
Nov 27 2008 02:43pm
Quote (Faelwen @ Thu, 9 Oct 2008, 02:04)
Bloody hell, this guide is still not stickied blink.gif

Aye, try PMing that MrBommel guy and see if he is worthy of his duty ^^

I mean, how silly is it to have an IK bot based barb guide in the stickies while leaving out a reputable legit MF guide ? wacko.gif

On a sidenote, the "Magic Find Explained" link included in the D & G Updated Help Post is nothing but hopelessly outdated. And that is just one example.
I have asked both MrBommel and a few other mods what they intend to do about the bot based guide as well as updating the UHP (note the irony ^^).

Guess what ... no response. And the bot guide is still there, unchanged. >.<

Someone is either asleep at the switch or simply does not care.


I also pmed mr bommel about my mule-perm guide, got no responste either...but then i pmed him: http://forums.d2jsp.org/index.php?showtopic=25002470&f=21
and he said that he will do something about it smile.gif
Member
Posts: 9,096
Joined: Sep 4 2006
Gold: 484.19
Nov 27 2008 03:32pm
i would like to see this kind of guide but in classic tongue.gif heard that monsters got different stats, at least the dropalc from an ingame.de site says that.. And i am not sure if it is true (can't check it ingame) XD
Member
Posts: 40,183
Joined: Apr 29 2006
Gold: 20,826.51
Nov 27 2008 06:14pm
Free Bump.

Member
Posts: 4,885
Joined: Dec 24 2007
Gold: 33.50
Nov 27 2008 08:28pm
This is excellent.

This inspired me to go mf on my din. I'm classic, and use 300+ mf. I usually do bone ash, fireye, etc... but I'm going to start doing the pit again because of this guide. Thanks man biggrin.gif
Member
Posts: 11,623
Joined: Mar 10 2006
Gold: 0.00
Warn: 90%
Nov 28 2008 11:47am
ty
Go Back To Strategy & Guides Topic List
Prev1789101114Next
Add Reply New Topic New Poll