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Jun 10 2010 03:20pm
Quote (Soccergoal10 @ Jun 10 2010 03:14pm)
hmm... substituting other gear for 99 fcr bp isnt worth it in my opinion.
a hammerdin can throw on grief and charge you down = you need max block setup. so where are you getting 99 fcr without hoto while maintaining high dmg
even if they dont and they go pure hammer.... then a hoto/soj/soj > in my opinion. the -30 res is negligible in my eyes since its easy to stack. focusing on the phys part of your attacks would be more beneficial which is why I say going pelt/spirit/arach/soj/soj/hoto etc... mass +skills is a better approach. Like you said, getting fire res is easy, so focusing on upping the cano phys dmge is more important. The small boost in fire dmge isnt worth the loss of other stats when you only gain ~300 fire dmge.


True, you make a valid arguement, but I prefer the addon of damage and slightly lower life.
If the hammerdin is using a Wizspike or Hoto, you don't need to fear that- but yes, if they equip a Grief PB I would definatly advise maxblock.
This is just against pure magic opponents though, Liberators and Mages and such will have to be played differently.

Quote (Soccergoal10 @ Jun 10 2010 03:25pm)
i see charge as more of a thing used when a player walks you. playing a vita setup vs a libby isnt a smart idea unless your a necro... or something similar. 1-2 good chargelocks = your death in vita.
So in my opinion the threat of a charge cannot be dismissed if the player acts as a hdin until you walk him = charge.

eating fissure with stacked res and waterwalks/dwarf or 85 res isnt going to knock the player off since they can tank quite a bit. and the stacked res + max/sorb would be too much in my opinion. hoto setup would beat out a little extra dmge (300~)


Mmm, yes another valid point. I prefer fissure hopping (cast a fissure and then teleport into is as the Hammerdin comes in to telestomp) as a big way of chipping their life away. Yes, it's not as effective as a 28k fireball, but it slowly weans their life away.
If you're lucky too, your opponents will run out of mana if the duel is long enough ^_^

Using Grizzly is really up to the player; I wouldn't want to telestomp a Hammerdin in his hammerfield if you know what I mean :p
As said, fissures take a while to chip away, but a well placed Volcano can easily do 1/4 of an opponents life, but they can be difficult to do when an opponent has you namelocked and is spamming your tail end.
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Jun 10 2010 08:28pm
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True, you make a valid arguement, but I prefer the addon of damage and slightly lower life.
If the hammerdin is using a Wizspike or Hoto, you don't need to fear that- but yes, if they equip a Grief PB I would definatly advise maxblock.
This is just against pure magic opponents though, Liberators and Mages and such will have to be played differently.



Mmm, yes another valid point. I prefer fissure hopping (cast a fissure and then teleport into is as the Hammerdin comes in to telestomp) as a big way of chipping their life away. Yes, it's not as effective as a 28k fireball, but it slowly weans their life away.
If you're lucky too, your opponents will run out of mana if the duel is long enough ^_^

Using Grizzly is really up to the player; I wouldn't want to telestomp a Hammerdin in his hammerfield if you know what I mean :p
As said, fissures take a while to chip away, but a well placed Volcano can easily do 1/4 of an opponents life, but they can be difficult to do when an opponent has you namelocked and is spamming your tail end.


still.. i believe the 30/30 sword is still second to hoto due to all the adds..... fcr allows more + skills. and the extra gear needed is just more swapping.
i have a question! is there any duels that you recommend using wolves instead of bear?
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Jun 10 2010 08:33pm
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still.. i believe the 30/30 sword is still second to hoto due to all the adds..... fcr allows more + skills. and the extra gear needed is just more swapping.
i have a question! is there any duels that you recommend using wolves instead of bear?


I've never seen him use wolves on any matchup and I'm guessing it's a no since he dumped the points in to make his bear meni stronk?
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Jun 10 2010 08:34pm
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I've never seen him use wolves on any matchup and I'm guessing it's a no since he dumped the points in to make his bear meni stronk?


true.... and come to think of it... windy needs wolves because they are all up and personal all the time where a shaman has natural protection from fissure etc while being able to keep distance when needed. makes sense now that i think about it
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Jun 10 2010 08:41pm
always wanted to make one of these :P
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Jun 10 2010 09:05pm
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still.. i believe the 30/30 sword is still second to hoto due to all the adds..... fcr allows more + skills. and the extra gear needed is just more swapping.
i have a question! is there any duels that you recommend using wolves instead of bear?


Haha, to each his own. You can have radically different playstyles and still make out decently well with this character. I'll try some Hoto setups though against pure Hammerdins.
I thought about it, like verse Smiters and such. The damage output is pathetic compared to grizzly's; dire wolves do 458- 489 damage with 800 life. They've got nothing on grizzly, lol.

But yeah, I strongly advise Grizzly, even if you're not stomping he's an excellent meatshield/ grizzly swiper.

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always wanted to make one of these :P


Nows the time my man ^_^
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Jun 10 2010 09:10pm
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Haha, to each his own. You can have radically different playstyles and still make out decently well with this character. I'll try some Hoto setups though against pure Hammerdins.
I thought about it, like verse Smiters and such. The damage output is pathetic compared to grizzly's; dire wolves do 458- 489 damage with 800 life. They've got nothing on grizzly, lol.

But yeah, I strongly advise Grizzly, even if you're not stomping he's an excellent meatshield/ grizzly swiper.


was refering to spirit wolves for protection. Like a windy uses wolves vs necro.... or wolves vs hdin for more stack. Is this ever needed in your eyes? Not as a dmg source ofc... ^^
just more of a protection thing in some duels
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was refering to spirit wolves for protection. Like a windy uses wolves vs necro.... or wolves vs hdin for more stack. Is this ever needed in your eyes? Not as a dmg source ofc... ^^
just more of a protection thing in some duels


I'd much rather have my Oak and Grizzly than Oak and 3-5 weak Wolves (that usually ALL get taken out at once).
The Grizzly can prove troublesome as because of it's huge life your opponents can namelock it a lot easier, but they can namelock you just as well; this is the arguement I've heard before, but I'd still go with Grizzly.
This thing at max level is unlike anything you will ever see in D2 gaming ^_^
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Jun 11 2010 05:19am
Quote (Scaryghoul @ 11 Jun 2010 03:33)
I've never seen him use wolves on any matchup and I'm guessing it's a no since he dumped the points in to make his bear meni stronk?


I'd use Wolves vs a hdin still.
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Jun 11 2010 09:39am
Quote (Scaryghoul @ Jun 10 2010 09:33pm)
I've never seen him use wolves on any matchup and I'm guessing it's a no since he dumped the points in to make his bear meni stronk?


Quote (Tails chao @ Jun 11 2010 06:19am)
I'd use Wolves vs a hdin still.


Well points in Bear still add stats to Wolves I believe, but they have so little damage and life output that I can't see them as attackers and only as mediocre meat shields =/
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