Apologies. It always happens when tauren gets involved. Check its post history

This is the best barb guide out there for pvp
https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=64469553&f=87

Also listen to Gel87 and Goomshill

I'm happy to see that you actually are acknowledging that there is harassing and bullying now then. Very glad to see there are signs of intelligence there. Made my day.

Now if you just implement that good sense of ethics to the fullest extent.

For a website with this many moderators and even driven by money, there should be a much higher standard for stamping out harassment. I was a moderator on a d2 site once, and it was never like this. We handled it so easily. And users didn't slander other users' names like they do here.

So the bottom line is the leadership in this site is unfortunately dysfunctional. There are glimmers of hope between them, but unfortunately again they are hogtied by the seniors and owners. They don't make the rules. And many of them take the psychopaths' sides... which makes them just as bad. It's shameful, really.

Had to go back to page 1 to see what the thread was even about

To restate what I mentioned before: do some private duels with friends to look at what's wrong with whirlwind this patch before you go spending thousands of fg on the char. I think marieusz has a gif that explains it perfectly

It's really a waste of fg to build pvp barbs until (or IF) they fix the problem. Of course, if they do fix it then you'll have built your barb cheaply since people are selling the gear at a discount now that the char is useless

This post was edited by Worrywart on Sep 28 2018 09:06pm

Courtesy of marieusz

Since you're not technically in a whirlwind you can be stunned, knocked back, blocked by bone walls, placed into hit recovery/block animations and so on.
You're also doing 0 damage because you're not actually attacking

How are your own quotes slander?

To be fair, quoting him is an intentional attempt to damage his reputation since everything he says is a train wreck

True there, but he dug that hole himself.

Nothing so satisfying as getting that one hit kill using berserk.

Zerk barbs require a lot of skill, but their potential is high. Many will be so scared of your damage that they will play defensively outside of your screen.

This is why the use of bow is important. Hit 10fpa attack and 37fcr on bow switch and you have a whole new ranged dimension to play with.

Your worst nightmares are smiters and whirlwind barbs. They ARE killable with good timing but it's very difficult. Good ones will beat you 9/10 times.

Then again, zerk is better than whirlwind vs nec, and arguably vs wind druid/hammerdin too. The damage you can deal them is huge.

Keep 5.7k+ life and concentrate on raising that damage. With 70% DS and 32% crit, 5k life hammerdins will fall in two hits, or 7k druids in three.

What match ups would you use Widow for?

Zerk prolly better vs necs now ww is cucked yeah but not a chance vs any competent dudu/hdin

What can you do with a zerk barb that you can't do with a BvC using 1 point zerk?
the damage is high enough that if you're going to be able to zerk them at all, 1 point zerk with grief/beast is going to kill them in a few hits anyway, and they will fhr/block lock them.
and since you're a tanky char, needing to OHKO people isn't exactly a priority. If you are dueling an ES sorc and land a leap/tele/warcry/zerk combo and they need to wsg out, does it really matter if you're hitting with a bajillion damage 2 hander or just a grief/beast?

besides that, grief/beast and bvc gear is probably already the best-in-slot for practical zerk anyway, although storm for a BvA setup might be better in some matchups but normally physical damage builds are the same ones that are functionally immune to zerk like smiters, bowazons, barbs, etc. Grief/beast is definitely the best combination of damage/ar/speed. A big 2 handed dumb build like a death glorious axe would be happy to swing at 14 FPA, absurdly bad and useless in pvp. But even something like a 2 handed BotD that hits 11-12 fpa is still slow as molasses for a char that already suffers from being a difficult to connect melee attack. Grief/beast does it at 9 fpa and probably has higher damage than any 2 hander that could hit 10-11 fpa, between grief's high damage, DS and the fanat, and then that extra AR and stats.

Widowmaker is certainly fine. Its more useful than people think in plenty of matchups. I've ran into some barbs on my geddon druid that just bossed me around because they had widow in stash, which is a nightmare. But the other side of that is- any BvC can throw on widowmaker. A zerk barb doesn't have any different gear or skill build to optimize it, so its still a question of why pure zerk and not just bvc with stashed widow?



I've gotten the drop on a few druids with zerk when there is a lot of recasting delay and war cry spam while syncing around or baiting them in or just risking an aggressive jump off an unsummon lock. Even competent ones, zerk is a useful tool in a barbs repertoire. It isn't a top priority, and you should be getting more utility out of the already-gimmick war cry in that matchup than attempting zerk, and most times a warcry lands you'd sooner be whirlwinding away anyway. Its like using charged strike on a damach zon vs druid, you can do it, it can catch people by surprise and kill them, but its definitely not your first second or third form of attack and extremely risky. But it sure is fun to telestomp a druid who goes to recast and slap him before he can react.

As far as dins- no. Don't think I've zerked an hdin in a very long time. Even if they're literally immobile and letting you carefully teleport their blind spot, all it would take a fidget to chain you into hammers you can't run south from. And god knows you don't want to step south and zerk from the blind spot because the most likely outcome of that is they just telestomp a second time while you're in the animation, whereas why wouldn't you just whirlwind away if they're telestomping like that.
Zerk does kind of have a use against mages, if they get dumb enough to telegraph their switch between hdin and foher and stick on conviction pumping their arms in the air like a retard, but that would run afoul of "competent hdin"