ever consider using a last wish or a beast with a 99/99 setup to boost the bears damage?

given the pvp penalty for minions there should be very good returns on the dmg O_o

I do not see how rainbow facets would help more than rare jewels. the -5 res is pretty nulled vs good chars.. and your exchanging life/dex/str/fhr/etc for 5% dmg
I also dont see how a 30/-30 sword would ever beat a hoto. Hoto > vs all imo

also @ duff, I think that losing stats from hoto would be worth upping your bear dmge. It goes along with the statement about Oak vs HoW... survivability. Also, bear is nulled in a lot of duels in my opinion.

i don't really know anything about shamans, it's just an idea, lol

one of those 'try it out and see how it works' thing

True!



It's not worth losing hoto =/ if you want to TG, yeah it's a cool idea as you're bear will be a bit more of a tank, but in actual PvP you'd be losing 3 skills, 40 fcr, resistances, and some other good mods that would just not be good to lose.
Think of it as Oak verse HoW almost; the bear does more damage, but you're handicapping everything else to just do a bit more grizzly damage. And sometimes you don't even need the extra grizzly, like telestomping a BvC or a Javazon just isn't smart because WW or Charged Strike will destroy everything



The only time I would suggest rainbow facets is in a 30/ 30 sword for necromancers or hammerdins.
You don't need resistances for these guys, so the stats you're losing are 3 skills, 40 fcr, and life rep. The missing faster cast rate can easily be obtained through rings or amulet and the life rep can also be obtained in the same manner. I actually have a pelt that I use sometimes just for life rep: 3 fissure, 2 armageddon, 1 volcano with Shael/ P Skull/ P Skull for 10 rep.

But necromancers can wear Hotspurs as GM resistance against fire characters so the trade off of +3 skills or lowering their fire res is the question; and Hammerdins usually have very good resistance if they aren't using Resist Fire aura.
So for example, here's my damage with a 30/ -30 setup (while hitting 99 fcr/ 99 fhr) verse the normal 99/ 99.

30/ -30
Fissure: 4682- 4893
Volcano (physical): 979- 986
Volcano (fire): 1339- 1480
Armageddon: 5379- 6415
Grizzly (damage): 3075- 3212
Life: 4757

Verse Caster Setup
Fissure: 4367- 4564
Volcano (physical): 1183-1190
Volcano (fire): 1254- 1404
Armageddon: 5884- 6852
Grizzly damage: 4408- 4562
Life (with Oak): 4924

So you can see the fire damage does a bit more, but my life and resistances suffer. Bonemancers and Hammerdins are the only setup I would recommend a 30/ -30



If you've got the money and time, try it out

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This post was edited by Master_Zappy on Jun 10 2010 02:05pm

hmm... substituting other gear for 99 fcr bp isnt worth it in my opinion.
a hammerdin can throw on grief and charge you down = you need max block setup. so where are you getting 99 fcr without hoto while maintaining high dmg
even if they dont and they go pure hammer.... then a hoto/soj/soj > in my opinion. the -30 res is negligible in my eyes since its easy to stack. focusing on the phys part of your attacks would be more beneficial which is why I say going pelt/spirit/arach/soj/soj/hoto etc... mass +skills is a better approach. Like you said, getting fire res is easy, so focusing on upping the cano phys dmge is more important. The small boost in fire dmge isnt worth the loss of other stats when you only gain ~300 fire dmge.

people say that all that time, however charge is very difficult to get a namelock on with summon stack in play with that grizzly and a charging hammer is going to eat fissure and cano the second it comes on screen, plus possible geddon along with being knockbacked by boulder.

i see charge as more of a thing used when a player walks you. playing a vita setup vs a libby isnt a smart idea unless your a necro... or something similar. 1-2 good chargelocks = your death in vita.
So in my opinion the threat of a charge cannot be dismissed if the player acts as a hdin until you walk him = charge.

eating fissure with stacked res and waterwalks/dwarf or 85 res isnt going to knock the player off since they can tank quite a bit. and the stacked res + max/sorb would be too much in my opinion. hoto setup would beat out a little extra dmge (300~)

This post was edited by Soccergoal10 on Jun 10 2010 02:27pm