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good zons build around a diamond or shadow bow instead of gmb...

its overall "average" damage is very good (higher def opponents, make u hit min damage more so than max). so while a gmb's max damage on screen is good, its not a good overall bow unless you play a glass zon (no good zon is glass since its 1-2 hits dead).

let me make it simple via math to show u:

lets say:
chance to hit consistent 50 damage ex: 60, 60, 60, 60, 60, etc.. (60 average)
vs
chance to hit varied damage overall ex: 80, 30, 80, 30, 80, etc... (55 average)

take the average of that and the "consistent" damage will be better for OVERALL matches. now, when u duel guys like pallies or barbs who have more defense... u WILL hit the "min" damage more often than the "max" damage (so basically... u'd be hitting 30, 30, 30, 30.... instead of 60, 60, 60, 60 etc...)

that makes it better to stick with "safe" damage instead of the hit/miss kinda deal

not to mention the ias bp for diamond or shadow bow is 65% instead of 92% for gmb

This post was edited by Azn Masta on Aug 9 2011 07:41am

you know defense affects the chance to hit, not the damage rolls

http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=49099908&f=87 - best zon seems to build around a gmb

I've never heard of this high def thing makes u hit the min dmg more than max ( apart from that hakkubakk's guide which most people agreed was some crazy rumour )

Seems especially strange as well when u consider guided arrow ignores targets defence...

If u believe this rumour - why do you use 3 20 20's instead of 36 20's on ur sin - max dmg is kinna bad aint it?

The 65 ias bp makes 0 difference too unless u have some nice matriarchal javs with like 30 base ias or so.. if your using titans your gonna need to get the 92 ias on bow slot to maintain the max ias bp on your javs. The only good thing about diamond bow is that by using the same setup u would if u had gmb - u get stack against 10% slow ( which is max allowed in eu i think ).

This post was edited by Jeebus666 on Aug 9 2011 08:07am

if it was true not to mention how bad runics and ferals were

/e
war fist ftw

This post was edited by MoXeR on Aug 9 2011 07:58am

65ias is:
30 from helm (2 zon/30frw/life/res/stats etc or 40/15/ + 40/15 CoA)
20 from highlords (37% DS) or cat's (FRW)
20 from gloves (2pass/20ias/kb/stats/etc)

frees you a belt slot for dungos which give life and dr or tgod. also, u wont be strapped to a nos coil and 30frw/3soc helm for ias allowing you gear flexibility w/o losing out on mass damage that u would if u switch to mat bow.

as for the defense via zon perspective, im talkin about multi arrows, not guided (duh).
as for the defense via sin perspective, ofc, feral and runics are going to be weak, but its not like we have a choice in the matter if we want to his the ias bp

altho, i am going to admit that i never actually tested that one in detail to make certain (the lower damage might indeed be from "missing" more often)

This post was edited by Azn Masta on Aug 9 2011 08:15am

You cant use tgods on a bowa in gm duels - unless u dont wanna use forti ( as then you would have 90 max res + 20 int abs ). Dungo's yea u can use, but as i said before u wont have max ias for javs unless u have nice matri's with base ias . And on eu we have summin called bb which is > than dungo's neway xD

If your talking about this def thing only applies to multi, than surely your saying that your ga damage is now higher with gmb right?
And about sins perspective im not talking about the claws, im talking about your inven, 3 max dmg on scs aint such a good add is it according to this rumour - so why dont u use 36/20's.

About the testing of this rumour, i cant see why "missing" would affect a test, surely if someone competent was doing the testing they would ignore the times when an attack "misses" and only focus on the actual hits.

some realms like east where i play dont have bbelt u cant depend on the "insane" stats of it haha, but yea... if u can wing it, ofc more gear becomes "avaliable"

and what kinda "good" zon wont have rare cruel eth javs w/ ias? its kinda like a fools claw that a sin uses to a zon imo (its required.... most opponents will stick on ur ass once they get past the initial bow spam and javs will hurts a hella lot - i speak from experience from this case when facing some zons)

and for ghosts.... its cuz when i duel high opponent guys, my ar isnt enough to make a diff even with the 36/20s it wouldnt be a huge diff (7.2k from 32020s to ~8-9k from 36/20s wont change much since their defense is prob in the 15ks) so i just kept 32020 as my main to make myself better sin v sin and vs normal casters).

but i DID mention that i keep 132/45s in stash if u recall from my other post. i switch my 32020s w/ 20/5s on the bottom row and use 3x 132/45s + 10x 32020s for more ar and stuff

This post was edited by Azn Masta on Aug 9 2011 08:32am

well virtually every zon ( including jesper ) uses titans on eu Maybe good eth javs are more common on other realms, but even if u did have these javs, they'd have to be a matriachal base ( or winged harpoons i guess ) for the -10 wsm, if u can get such good javs - why not use stygians with ias and use a gmb as you then have more dmg on jav slot ( due to bonuses from dex differing between the 2 javs iirc ).

"my ar isnt enough to make a diff even with the 36/20s it wouldnt be a huge diff (7.2k from 32020s to ~8-9k from 36/20s wont change much since their defense is prob in the 15ks)" - I was talking about the fact that if the defence is that high the 3 max dmg doesnt make any difference ( as u dont hit max dmg against high defence ), but the change in ar will increase chance to hit.

And if u said that fine, i aint remembered all the updates ^^

My zon? Or did you forget about Andi? ;D

nubs ;P